CWD Officially in BC

[MiG25]

CWD is in your province now !!!
excuses mean nothing
The wildlife will take a hit , your stupid stomach acid means nothing
Being responsible ? instead of full of it !!
Good luck
It's attitudes like you that are the problem
GROW up

You still haven't told me how you caught CWD.

The deer will be fine if the Government doesn't fook it up. Deer are showing genetic resistance to CWD infection, I'd expect nothing less from a species that has been around for at least 4 million years. Humans also have defences against infection, both genetic and chemical.

 

[Spruster]

You still haven't told me how you caught CWD.

The deer will be fine if the Government doesn't fook it up. Deer are showing genetic resistance to CWD infection, I'd expect nothing less from a species that has been around for at least 4 million years. Humans also have defences against infection, both genetic and chemical.

How ,
I caught CWD ... it's the stomach acid thats got it stopped ...
How did you get a moroon junior high education ???
You have CWD and I'm sure all fellow BC's ers are proud of your concern and respect for such ....

 

[IronNoggin]

... The deer will be fine if the Government doesn't fook it up. Deer are showing genetic resistance to CWD infection, I'd expect nothing less from a species that has been around for at least 4 million years.

Post even a single study that backs that.
Peer reviewed & published thanks...

I'll wait...

 

[MiG25]

The answer is to increase the age of the herd by hunting does and young bucks early and ending buck season Oct 31 to allow the older age class bucks to dominate the breeding as they will if left alone. Older animals are more likely to be those resistant to CWD.

Of course the Government will try to eradicate the good genes from the population in an unsuccessful attempt to "stop" CWD, this approach hasn't worked anywhere.

 

[riversrest]

I wonder what ever happened with the "Covid" deer ? Did they all get rounded up and vaxxed ? Maybe they developed CWD as a side effect ?

 

[Spruster]

The answer is to increase the age of the herd by hunting does and young bucks early and ending buck season Oct 31 to allow the older age class bucks to dominate the breeding as they will if left alone. Older animals are more likely to be those resistant to CWD.

Of course the Government will try to eradicate the good genes from the population in an unsuccessful attempt to "stop" CWD, this approach hasn't worked anywhere.

pretty cocky

you're Wrong ... why don't you welcome CWD into your province on your behalf
Please

 

[IronNoggin]

The answer is to increase the age of the herd by hunting does and young bucks early and ending buck season Oct 31 to allow the older age class bucks to dominate the breeding as they will if left alone. Older animals are more likely to be those resistant to CWD.

Of course the Government will try to eradicate the good genes from the population in an unsuccessful attempt to "stop" CWD, this approach hasn't worked anywhere.

Form where & when did you get your degree?
And what field related studies have you been directly involved in?

Still waiting on your citations of published studies btw...

 

[Spruster]

Form where & when did you get your degree?
And what field related studies have you been directly involved in?

Still waiting on your citations of published studies btw...

Good one ... He's a full of it punk

 

[Potashminer]

The answer is to increase the age of the herd by hunting does and young bucks early and ending buck season Oct 31 to allow the older age class bucks to dominate the breeding as they will if left alone. Older animals are more likely to be those resistant to CWD.

Of course the Government will try to eradicate the good genes from the population in an unsuccessful attempt to "stop" CWD, this approach hasn't worked anywhere.

You will have a significant uphill climb to get most DNR to accept that solution - 1960's / 70's in Sask and Alberta - two years ago in Manitoba - DNR solution was to "cull" - either by many, many hunter tags, and/or black helicopters, or ground based First Nations - was always about "use tax payer money and kill all the cervids possible" and then claim that was "limiting the spread" - has not worked anywhere, that I know of, that it has been tried - waiting to see what BC does ...

 

[riversrest]

You will have a significant uphill climb to get most DNR to accept that solution - 1960's / 70's in Sask and Alberta - two years ago in Manitoba - DNR solution was to "cull" - either by many, many hunter tags, and/or black helicopters, or ground based First Nations - was always about "use tax payer money and kill all the cervids possible" and then claim that was "limiting the spread" - has not worked anywhere, that I know of, that it has been tried - waiting to see what BC does ...

Bingo, thats all it is about ! Always the same MO, spread fear, get tax money and #### it up while messing with nature.

 

[MiG25]

Form where & when did you get your degree?
And what field related studies have you been directly involved in?

Still waiting on your citations of published studies btw...

So you're saying I'm wrong? Let me guess, you work for the Government?

It's not at all hard to find that there are CWD resistant genotypes of deer.

 

[MiG25]

Bingo, thats all it is about ! Always the same MO, spread fear, get tax money and #### it up while messing with nature.

I remember when the Soviets were going to blow us up, acid rain, hole in the ozone layer, AIDS, SARS, Y2K, Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Global Warming, Covid, Climate Change, etc etc.

 

[MiG25]

Good one ... He's a full of it punk

Still waiting for you to show how you, or anyone else, caught CWD. 50+ years and not one human case.

 

[toxic]

Easily defeated by human stomach acid, long debated last week in the other thread, carry on as usual.

I really hope that is a facetious comment. The amount of technically wrong information in that thread is so laughable, I just bailed completely from that thread.

Here are some facts. You don't "kill" prions because they are not alive (it's a protein). But...
- Prions cannot be destroyed by boiling, alcohol, acid, standard autoclaving methods, or radiation.
- To effectively destroy them an accepted method is to use a solution of potassium hydroxide at a temperature of 300°F for 6 hours. I believe sodium hydroxide is another option for this.
- Alternately a temperature of or 1,832°F (1,000°C) will do it.

Your stomach is acidic, not akaline. No CWD has never "jumped" to humans but neither did any of the other prion diseases...until they did.

 

[MiG25]

pH's lower than 6 or so are going to destroy the prions, the Human stomach is thousands of times more acidic than this.

You guys really think the Human animal came to dominate the planet killing/scavenging and eating almost every animal without significant biological defences? For example it isn't the botulism bacteria that make a person sick, it's the toxin they produce.

CWD is ultimately going to be limited by soil acidity and by allowing older, more resistant deer to survive and breed, in a CWD endemic area, a 4.5 year old buck is proven more resistant than a 1.5 year old buck and is going to dominate breeding if the Government doesn't get in the way. Survival of the Fittest, literally Day 1 of Biology Class.

Culls are completely counter productive.

 

[nowarningshot]

It's been in our regulations/synopsis aka as 80 pages of advertising/10 pages useful, for close to 20 years. I've butchered every animal, by filiting back the backstraps and sawing off ribs, without including the backbone. Basically I've assumed it's here all along. Probably 16hrs of travel from Cranbrook and three ferries.

Denny Crane.....madcow.

 

[DBeato]

How about if you've got IBS or another of the countless stomach and bowel issues that seem to plague so much of the population? Prepared to put your real name behind that recommendation, and would you feed your grandkids infected meat?

If you read the other thread you will know how ridiculous my statement is....It was directed at one of the experts here.

 

[riversrest]

I have a real lifetime story here.

It pertains to the OPs call for "Hunters are encouraged to provide samples for CWD testing after harvesting a deer anywhere in B.C., hunters can submit the head of the animal for testing"

In the late 1970s hunters of the Black Forest-Baar area were "encouraged" to bring in fox for "testing" due to "suspected rabies". Prior to that some government paid "scientists" found some road kill fox with "rabies" who knows where.

So, the hunters brought in their fox for testing and low and behold, who would have thought, lot's of them tested "positive" for rabies. The "scientists" turned around and said "We have so many cases now, we gotta do something about it" ! Sounds familiar to anyone ?

Their solution was to drop poisened meat in the woods to kill the fox population. The villagers, mostly family farmers and trades, some hunters, told them not to do it as they can take care of the "problem" themselves. Pls. note, they live there for dozens of generations and no record of a human dying from rabies has ever been discovered there, not even by hearsay !

However, somehow the "scientists" got their funding and government support, went over the heads of the people and started dropping poisened meat into the forests.

Thousands of wild animals died ! Fox, badger, marten, weasel, boars and it wiped out almost the entire small stocks left of Lynx and "Wildkatze" (similar to a Bobcat in size).

Now, that almost all rodent eaters were gone the "scientists" celebrated their effectiveness in eradicating "rabies".

Two years later the rodent infestation in fields adjacent to forests was so bad that 90 % of the wheat, barley, potatoe and sugar beets crop was destroyed by mice, rats and other
rodents.

Presented with the facts of their "science" the Government "scientists" turned around and said "Well, maybe it was your barn cats and not the foxes spreading the rabies".

Well, that concluded the "science" part. From hearsay I can almost quote that no government "scientist" has been around that area in over 40 years and the people living there are doing just fine...

 

[umchorn2]

That’s unfortunate to hear. Alberta has been devastated by cwd over the past few years. Mule deer populations are very strong though. Whitetail however, I rarely see them anymore it’s about 1/50 now. Hopefully it doesn’t infect too quickly there.

Same in Saskatchewan. Mule deer is draw only with quotas in each zone. Whitetail is over the counter unlimited tags...a free for all. Of course there will eventually be more mule deer than whitetail. A hunter can be much more selective when he knows there are only 125 other buck tags in his zone. If given a choice to shoot a 2 year old mulie buck or a 4 year old deer I think most hunters would choose the older deer. It has reached maturity and has more meat on it as well as having an impressive set of antlers that look good on your mantle.

 

[umchorn2]

The answer is to increase the age of the herd by hunting does and young bucks early and ending buck season Oct 31 to allow the older age class bucks to dominate the breeding as they will if left alone. Older animals are more likely to be those resistant to CWD.

Of course the Government will try to eradicate the good genes from the population in an unsuccessful attempt to "stop" CWD, this approach hasn't worked anywhere.

You don't increase the age distribution of the herd by shooting does and younger animals. You need to shoot only the oldest deer that have had many years to reproduce and are close to dying of old age. This allows the younger deer to grow into maturity and breed. Thereby increasing the population at a faster rate and improving herd structure and genetics as bucks compete for territory and breeding rights.

Wildlife departments would be wise to use antler restrictions such as "5 point or better on one side" or "5X5" to help hunters "select" older deer if they are incapable of distinguishing a mature deer of 3 years old or older. Most hunters simply have not ever seen let alone harvested a 5 year old deer. Five year old deer are a very small proportion of the actual population precisely because hunters tend to shoot the younger deer that are inexperienced and provide easy opportunity for lazy, inexperienced hunters who just want to fill their tags.