CX4 Storm instead of AR....

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I have wanted an AR or a carbine for a few years now but money for me is an issue as I am still young and do not have a career.....yet:p I have always liked/wanted a Stag Arms AR15 but I can't pay the $2,000.00 for it PLUS more money needed for optics, rails, for grips and ammo the feed it. So I am think of getting a CX4 Storm in 9mm which is about half the cost of .223 ammo and I already shoot 9mm in my M&P. I also eventually want get it re-barreled with a non-restricted length bull barrel (how much does this cost?). How far could I shoot this accurately.....before and after the re-barrel? What are your thought on this rifle?

Thanks, UTAF
 
Honestly, I wouldn't bother. The range of a 9mm as compared to a .223 (which is what you really wanted anyways) is day & night. The cost of converting this rifle to non-restricted is one in which I'm not sure you'd get your investment back on.

Do yourself a favour, get a Norinco AR. A new one is about $1000, and the looks/finish are incredible for what you pay. I've always knocked Norcs before, but I've seen the later ones up close'n personal. Fine looking guns!

Start reloading as well, which'll save you tons regardless of calibre. It costs me around $12/50 rounds for 44 Mag as compared to $43 for factory stuff. Get a progressive reloader and it'll pay itself off in no time....;)
 
You got some decisions to make 1-your budget 2-you like to keep the same ammo. I don't want to get into too much detail but 9mm is different than .223. I don't have an AR15 but I have a 180 and PE90 in 223 and also a non restricted storm. They each fit their purpose.

The storm is great if you want short range 75m or less. At that range you should easily have a tight group. I'm sure it can reach further than that. If you go non-restricted you don't have to shoot it at the range only. 223 ammo is a bit more expensive but you can reach further. Don’t forget that the AR15’s are restricted and you are only allowed to shoot them at the ranges.

I estimate that a decent non-restricted storm will run you $1100 - $1200 + $450 barrel. I suggest to try them out and decide from there.
 
If you are on a tight budget, get the Storm and Lee turret press to reload 9mm, it will be the cheapest rifle shooting after a .22 or an SKS. I have the NR storm and the Norinco M4, both are great, but the Storm is cheaper to shoot and reload.
 
I have both, a storm in 40 an a Colt AR there totaly different guns,the storm is just alot of fun but if your looking for distance l would take the advice previously given and buy the Norinco. I can't speak to the quality as l have never seen one.
 
I was faced with the same question. I went ahead and bought the storm and my first AR upper and have been slowly putting together my first AR platform while still having a blast at the range with the storm
 
if you can save a little more $$$ and buy a Robinson Arms XCR in 762x39, you'll pay more at first, but it will save you money in the long run with the ammo. oh ya, and it's non-restricted.

down side - only 5 round mags.
 
The Stag 1R is $1550.

http://www.armseast.com/store/index.php?p=catalog&parent=16&pg=1

A Storm converted to NR will cost the same or slightly more. $1000-$1100 for the Storm and $500-$550 for the NR barrel including gunsmithing and re classification.

AR Pros: Handles better. Is a true black rifle. Excellent ergonomics and just a great all around rifle. Tons of add ons etc to turn the rifle into exactly what you want. Easy to add optics to with the flat top (They all have flat tops these days).

AR Cons: Restricted. Cost of .223/5.56 ammo these days is getting brutal. Most shooting ranges won't let you shoot these inside or on the pistol range.

Storm Pros: Can be converted to Non restricted. Cool looking, very accurate and the controls are all in the right place. Balances well and fun to shoot. Uses much cheaper 9mm ammo. You can shoot it indoors, or on a pistol range. The pistol range is actually a big advantage because many have hanging metal which is a ton of fun to shoot. Also indoors during the winter is nice.

Storm Cons: Polymer (I don't mind this but some do), The range of the 9mm round is limited. Those bunny ears making mounting optics a pain. IE scopes etc. CQB style optics seem to be fine, Although Eotech is too wide at the base and can interfere with the charging handle if you have it back. The trigger is decent (A bit heavy but not too bad) but unlike the AR you can't swap it out for a better one. Lack of add ons and modularity. The strap along the stock to the pistol grip looks cool and meets US rules but it interferes with function such as the magazine release.

Another consideration: You lose the 10 rounds and have to go back to 5 but.... you may wish to consider the CZ-858. It's less expensive than both, handles well, non restricted and shoots cheap ammo. It's a decent rifle and it'll get you shooting while still giving you a cool gun at a very good price. The lack of mounting choices for optics is a big minus (basically an iron sight only firearm) but otherwise it's a lot of fun. Just another consideration to get you out there.

The Norinco will do the trick as well. I don't know much about them. My concern with them is they won't hold their value, and with the cost of .223 ammo these days, you'll put a heck of a lot more in money through ammo than the gun is worth. Ultimately the $550 difference between the Norinco and the Stag is nothing in the long run. It cost the same to feed a cheap gun as an expensive one if they are in the same caliber. I prefer to run a lot of ammo through .22LR, 9mm, and 7.62x39. The .223, .308 etc get a lot less trigger time and are usually shot at the end of the range trip to keep costs reasonable.
 
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"you may wish to consider the CZ-858" I couldn't agree more with Epoxy7, the Cz is a great alternative to the Storm. I have shot the storm before and I am not sure if you have actually fired one, but chambered in 9mm, it had very small recoil and didn't have the "feeling" of firing a rifle. To me its almost the same thing as getting the glock conversion kit to turn it into a "carbine".

Also consider a Norc. M4, I had the chance to play with one a little while ago and it opperated and functioned as well as my friends who have more expensive guns. When I first joined I hated on Norinco's as well, but as I found out through ownership, they work out just fine. Its all just for fun anyways. Very easy to afford, and if you look in the EE like I did, there are still a few up for sale. I think I saw a couple for about 700.
 
I'd go with the AR-15. I had a CX4 and wasn't really impressed, so I sold it. The trigger pull was very heavy and there wasn't much I could do about it. The AR-15 is the mans version of a barbie-doll. If you want a carbine, you can get one in just about any barrel length. If you want something for long distance precision shooting, you can buy a longer barrelled match quality upper. If you want to shoot .22LR, there are conversion kits for that. If you want to shoot 9mm, there are upppers and conversion kits for that. Stocks, rails, sights, handguards, etc seem limitless in variety and supply. The only downside to the AR-15 is that it will always be restricted whereas the CX4 can be bought/modified in/into non-restricted versions. You can find 10 round pistol mags for the AR-15 and the CX4.
 
You could always go half-way... and get a AR180B

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- Cost about the same a Storm + replacement barrel
- Non restricted
- .223
 
Excellent thread and feedback from both sides of the fence ( Subscribed !!) I too have been pondering the thought of getting an AR, NR storm OR 858. The indoor range I belong to doesn't allow 7.62 ammo ( no 858 then! ) they do have 223 frangible but I'm told by other AR owners that it doesn't cycle well, its very expensive and a 25 meter range..not that enjoyable. The NR storm would be great as ammo is fairly cheap, I can shoot it the indoor range and 10 round mags are nice... but as others mentioned, distance shooting nowhere near close to 223.

Once a month ( spring / summer.. and fall if I'm lucky ) I'm up north to an outdoor range I belong to that has a rifle section ( 100-150 yards ) on one side and skeet / trap on the other. So I'd like to get into some type of distance shooting, but I'm only there 7 - 8 times a year.. so is it worth it to spend the money on an AR for this type of shooting ?

I think my choice is leaning on the 858 in terms of cheaper ammo, accessories and the frequency of it being used.
 
CZ858 is the only way to go...

I like the Storm, but, you'll get the itch to shoot far once you are shouldering that weapon, and then be sadly disappointed.

The AR180B2 is also nice. I like the .223, hate the costs of ammo now (ridiculous).
 
I have a CX-4, non-restricted, setup for southpaw.


I plan on getting one of the Stag lefty AR's whenever I get my RPAL.



I don't ever plan on comparing the two. Different purposes, different rounds.
 
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