CZ 452 upgrades

[grauhanen]

unnecessary????

Why unnecessary? Are you some sort of Fudd? Unnecessary because you don't shoot long range maybe.

I shoot pop cans at 300 yards and cannot dial for it with a 20 MOA rail because the rail does not have enough slope. I have a steel plate at 375 (from that firing point) and I have to hold high for that with the magnification reduced to get the target inside the field of view.

With these rings I can set exactly the slope I want.

Ever heard of a zero stop scope? These rings can be set perfectly so they provide a zero stop just a few minutes off the lower end of the scope travel.

As far as I'm concerned, if you are into CRPS, these rings are where its at and if you don't have them, you are behind the curve.

Perhaps he's referring to unnecessary scope ring height.

The use of a .25 MOA rail in addition to Burris Signature Zee rings with the offset inserts in both rings gives a lot of elevation without ring height being unnecessarily high. Not only that, they have aesthetic appeal unmatched by the likes of the FX, Sportsmatch, or those shown in the picture above.

 

[Maple57]

Perhaps he's referring to unnecessary scope ring height.

The use of a .25 MOA rail in addition to Burris Signature Zee rings with the offset inserts in both rings gives a lot of elevation without ring height being unnecessarily high. Not only that, they have aesthetic appeal unmatched by the likes of the FX, Sportsmatch, or those shown in the picture above.

Ok, but now we are talking about stacking multiple components, each with some sort of offset, in order to get more offset, at fixed and specific intervals, which are not known to the user until after they bought the items described.

Or simply buy the adjustable rings once and set them where you want them.

To each his own I suppose.... Just thought most guys are not aware of adjustable scope rings.

 

[grauhanen]

Ok, but now we are talking about stacking multiple components, each with some sort of offset, in order to get more offset, at fixed and specific intervals, which are not known to the user until after they bought the items described.

Or simply buy the adjustable rings once and set them where you want them.

To each his own I suppose.... Just thought most guys are not aware of adjustable scope rings.

I'm not going to argumentative for its own sake, but readers may like an explanation why you believe the Burris inserts are a stacking component. That would probably be news to the many shooters who use Burris Signature Zee rings.

Incidentally, the Infinity rings shown above are weaver/picatinny-style rings, which on a rifle like the OP's CZ -- or any CZ for that matter -- will require a rail.

 

[RabidM4U5]

I guess you could put designer clothes on a hooker but … still a hooker.

I believe the Politically Correct term is "Classy Escort"

I'm confused...

Why do you guys want to put clothes on the hooker?

Some Gentlemen may wish for the Lady to accompany them to dinner, the theatre, a gala, or perhaps even a week long vacation. How one spends their time is entirely at their discretion, and clothing is advisable for certain activities. I suppose I cannot be surprised that most here would only think about shooting their gun

 

[Maple57]

I'm not going to argumentative for its own sake, but readers may like an explanation why you believe the Burris inserts are a stacking component. That would probably be news to the many shooters who use Burris Signature Zee rings.

Incidentally, the Infinity rings shown above are weaver/picatinny-style rings, which on a rifle like the OP's CZ -- or any CZ for that matter -- will require a rail.

What I'm trying to describe is how the weaver/pic scope rails are available in fixed slope increments. The Zee rings using spacers are in fixed increments. Yes you can stack then to increase slope, but only to those specific amounts.

The adjustable scope rings can be set to any increment from zero to 75 MOA, or maybe more depending on the brand and type.

Also, you don't always know how much slope you are going to need. With adjustable rings you can always get there.

As for the 11 mm dovetail, there is this adapter which for low recoil would be fine, but these rings are also available for the 11 mm dovetail. (which I have on my PCP airgun)

Wow... big pic! LOL

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ytAAAOSwgtdd62kB/s-l1600.png

 

[grauhanen]

What I'm trying to describe is how the weaver/pic scope rails are available in fixed slope increments. The Zee rings using spacers are in fixed increments. Yes you can stack then to increase slope, but only to those specific amounts.

The adjustable scope rings can be set to any increment from zero to 75 MOA, or maybe more depending on the brand and type.

Also, you don't always know how much slope you are going to need. With adjustable rings you can always get there.

As for the 11 mm dovetail, there is this adapter which for low recoil would be fine, but these rings are also available for the 11 mm dovetail. (which I have on my PCP airgun)

Wow... big pic! LOL

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ytAAAOSwgtdd62kB/s-l1600.png

The weaver adapters shown above have the exact same potential "stacking" issues as any rail. They attach to the dovetail rail and the rings attach to them. And those ones are about as cheap as possible, with some varieties of them less than $5 from China on ebay (or under $20 on Amazon), which while not necessarily making them ineffective, it certainly doesn't auger well for their reliable longevity.

It's not clear that the Burris Signature Zee inserts are accurately described. They are not stacked in any way. A particular set of inserts is used for each, two per set. The rings as they are sold at most dealers have only the zero inserts. Others are available that can provide a little more elevation to a lot more elevation, depending on the circumstances. There is absolutely no stacking of inserts atop or under the other.

In fact they can be used to center a scope without making much use of internal adjustments. They can not only add or reduce elevation, they can also adjust for windage -- all at the same time. This means they can serve to counteract receiver holes that haven't been aligned correctly.

 

[Maple57]

Ok so lets work the increments I was referring to...

You put these on a 20 MOA rail, then you can add another 5, 10 or 20? For a max total of 40?

Or can we combine them.... +5 in back with -5 if front = 10... up to +20 in the back and -20 in the front =40 moa? combined with a 20 moa rail for a total of 60 MOA?

 

[.22LRGUY]

There's some old ammo packaging. Is that an older picture?

I think the picture is from a year or so ago, but that ammo is older. I bought 2-3 bricks of SK Standard maybe 5-ish years ago, cycled through a pile of it, then made the last few boxes last forever. (load-testing purposes, mostly) I like the SK Standard, but the performance seemed to only be a small notch above CCI SV...which is more readily available. I'm not always in the mood for punching paper/small groups. Sometimes it's fun to just see household items come apart.

 

[kc34]

Ok so lets work the increments I was referring to...

You put these on a 20 MOA rail, then you can add another 5, 10 or 20? For a max total of 40?

Or can we combine them.... +5 in back with -5 if front = 10... up to +20 in the back and -20 in the front =40 moa? combined with a 20 moa rail for a total of 60 MOA?

Exactly.
I used the 30mm Burris XTR Signature rings on my Savage 10 and used -20 in the front and +5 in the back to get 25MOA total which works fine for my application.

 

[easyrider604]

The weaver adapters shown above have the exact same potential "stacking" issues as any rail. They attach to the dovetail rail and the rings attach to them. And those ones are about as cheap as possible, with some varieties of them less than $5 from China on ebay (or under $20 on Amazon), which while not necessarily making them ineffective, it certainly doesn't auger well for their reliable longevity.

It's not clear that the Burris Signature Zee inserts are accurately described. They are not stacked in any way. A particular set of inserts is used for each, two per set. The rings as they are sold at most dealers have only the zero inserts. Others are available that can provide a little more elevation to a lot more elevation, depending on the circumstances. There is absolutely no stacking of inserts atop or under the other.

In fact they can be used to center a scope without making much use of internal adjustments. They can not only add or reduce elevation, they can also adjust for windage -- all at the same time. This means they can serve to counteract receiver holes that haven't been aligned correctly.

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The Burris Signature Zee rings are brilliantly designed. And your zero would be almost repeatable.

 

[chanrobi]

Perhaps he's referring to unnecessary scope ring height.

The use of a .25 MOA rail in addition to Burris Signature Zee rings with the offset inserts in both rings gives a lot of elevation without ring height being unnecessarily high. Not only that, they have aesthetic appeal unmatched by the likes of the FX, Sportsmatch, or those shown in the picture above.

Exactly correct.

I shoot long range. I got a MDT 20 MOA rail, now really thinking I should've bought a 30 MOA instead. I pretty much only use CCI standard. At that range I need like 20 mils of adjustment. Couldn't give a bigger crap about the shorter ranges as I can just hold under.

 

[chanrobi]

Exactly.
I used the 30mm Burris XTR Signature rings on my Savage 10 and used -20 in the front and +5 in the back to get 25MOA total which works fine for my application.

Incredible.

I'm going to pickup a set of these rings most likely.

Are the quick detach zee rings compatible with these inserts?

https://www.brownells.com/optics-mounting/rings-mounts-amp-bases/scope-rings/quick-detach-zee-rings-prod22349.aspx

 

[grauhanen]

Incredible.

I'm going to pickup a set of these rings most likely.

Are the quick detach zee rings compatible with these inserts?

https://www.brownells.com/optics-mo...e-rings/quick-detach-zee-rings-prod22349.aspx

The Burris Signature series of rings can use the inserts -- e.g. Burris Signature Zee (not Burris Zee), Signature Rimfire, Signature Dovetail.

 

[Grizzlypeg]

Love the 452 American. It's my go to gopher gun. When I first got it, I took it apart and polished the interior of the receiver, bolt, cocking cam etc. Makes cycling the action and the cocking portion much smoother. I am still using the stock trigger, just with a cut down spring. A couple of shots into a gopher shoot, my off hand shooting gets dialed in mentally and I don't notice any shortcomings of the trigger. Mine really likes the American Eagle 38 gr hollow points for gopher hunting in terms of cost vs accuracy.

 

[Maple57]

Love the 452 American. It's my go to gopher gun. When I first got it, I took it apart and polished the interior of the receiver, bolt, cocking cam etc. Makes cycling the action and the cocking portion much smoother. I am still using the stock trigger, just with a cut down spring. A couple of shots into a gopher shoot, my off hand shooting gets dialed in mentally and I don't notice any shortcomings of the trigger. Mine really likes the American Eagle 38 gr hollow points for gopher hunting in terms of cost vs accuracy.

You can get trigger spring kits on ebay.ca

I saw a guy out of Australia with one to bring it to about 1.5 lbs for about $15, and there's the Yo-Dave kit as well, but that was round $50 or so.... CDN.

I have a Yo-Dave kit on order... hopefully it arrives soon. It's supposed to go down to about a pound.

 

[kc34]

Exactly.
I used the 30mm Burris XTR Signature rings on my Savage 10 and used -20 in the front and +5 in the back to get 25MOA total which works fine for my application.

Incredible.

I'm going to pickup a set of these rings most likely.

Are the quick detach zee rings compatible with these inserts?

https://www.brownells.com/optics-mo...e-rings/quick-detach-zee-rings-prod22349.aspx

The Burris Signature series of rings can use the inserts -- e.g. Burris Signature Zee (not Burris Zee), Signature Rimfire, Signature Dovetail.

Grauhanen is correct. The Burris Signature Zee rings have the polymer inserts, the regular Burris Zee rings do not.

 

[chanrobi]

Grauhanen is correct. The Burris Signature Zee rings have the polymer inserts, the regular Burris Zee rings do not.

Slightly confused now.

They will work on the XTR signature? Or that was a typo? Unfortuantely they only have +/- 10 for the 30mm ring. Only the 1" rings have the 3 different options. Bummer.

Makes no sense.

 

[grauhanen]

Slightly confused now.

They will work on the XTR signature? Or that was a typo? Unfortuantely they only have +/- 10 for the 30mm ring. Only the 1" rings have the 3 different options. Bummer.

Makes no sense.

Burris Signature series of rings use the offset inserts.

The XTR Signature rings will take the offset inserts. It wasn't a typo as I simply forgot to mention them because they are relatively new and I've never seen them. The Burris website says they are "designed for the tactical shooter."

The 1 inch rings have three different offset rings because 1" scopes have a smaller internal adjustment range. The 30mm rings have only one size of offset rings perhaps because 30mm scopes typically have more internal adjustment than narrower scope tubes. Coupled with a 25 MOA rail they will provide considerable elevation over standard rings without offset inserts.

 

[kc34]

Slightly confused now.

They will work on the XTR signature? Or that was a typo? Unfortuantely they only have +/- 10 for the 30mm ring. Only the 1" rings have the 3 different options. Bummer.

Makes no sense.

Burris Signature series of rings use the offset inserts.

The XTR Signature rings will take the offset inserts. It wasn't a typo as I simply forgot to mention them because they are relatively new and I've never seen them. The Burris website says they are "designed for the tactical shooter."

The 1 inch rings have three different offset rings because 1" scopes have a smaller internal adjustment range. The 30mm rings have only one size of offset rings perhaps because 30mm scopes typically have more internal adjustment than narrower scope tubes. Coupled with a 25 MOA rail they will provide considerable elevation over standard rings without offset inserts.

Both the Burris Signature Zee rings and the Burris XTR Signature rings use polymer inserts offsets but they are not interchangeable between the two ring types. You can't use inserts from one type in the other type of rings as they are shaped differently as the rings are designed differently.
I have used both types and they work well for their intended application.

The Burris Signature Zee rings are smaller in size with a narrower width and I use them mostly of my hunting rifles generally with the 0 moa offsets. I believe they come with 0 moa offsets and +/- 10 moa offsets when you buy them. You can also purchase a separate insert offset kit from Burris that has various sizes of moa offsets in it, I don't recall what they all are(?). Check the Burris website for info on that.

The Burris XTR Signature rings are big, wide and heavy and I used them on my heavy Savage 10TR/Sightron 6-24x50 long range rig as I'm not concerned about the weight. I think they are intended for tactical rifles or rifles with big heavy scopes. I really like them and they work great but they aren't meant for a lightweight rifle setup. They come with 0moa inserts, +/- 5moa inserts, +/- 10moa inserts, and two sets of +/- 20moa inserts. You can set up your scope with 5 to 40 moa slope of cant with these. I set my Sightron scope up with 25moa of cant with these rings.

Check out the Burris website as it has all the details there.

 

[Paul_T]

As posted above, Zee Inserts won't fit in XTR Signature rings.
The XTR Signature rings come with 4 sets of inserts as posted above
You can buy a kit which expands the normal 0/0 -10/+10 inserts that come with the Zee rings (-5/+5 -10/+10 -20/+20), or buy individual +/-10, +/-20 sets


FYI
1" Signature Zee on a 25MOA rail on a CZ527


30mm XTR Signature on a 25MOA rail on a CZ455


34mm XTR Signature on a 25MOA rail on a T1x