CZ 457 Barrell Options Help Plz?

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So I just got me self a 457 in 22LR, and I'm absolutely in love with it! Grouping like a dream within 200y and she's so smooth! But... Im well, ME and I tend to want to shoot beyond 400y sooooo... can anyone help me out and help me find someone who produces a great quality barrel that's 26" or say 28" or even more?

I know that these new 457's have a barrel swap feature, that's what made me look at them in the first place. I found lots of options for 16" and 18" but I've no interest in the Tacti-Cool trend that's going on, and I want real distance not this SBR kiddy stuff. I even found a few 20" and one place that dose 24" but still no dice.

I have the whole set up ready in parts, and I'm just waiting for the barrel so I can start the bedding process and modify the stock.

Hope you guys can help me out! I know some of y'all have awesome info compared to me and I'm ready to take notes! Canadian brands first as ALWAYS! But beggers cant be choosers.


Wes
 
IBI is good people, but why to you want such a long barrel?

The biggest issues with 22LR accuracy are with consistent velocities/trajectories. Especially at long range. 400 yds is extreme range for any 22LR.

Peak velocities are actually restricted by having barrels much over 18 inches.

IMHO, you would be better off to put that extra weight into the barrel by increasing its diameter.

The shorter barrel would give better velocities and be stiffer, with less harmonics issues.
 
Contact International barrels {IBI} in BC, I'm sure they can get you set-up.

Thanks allot! Just sent them a message and I hope they get back to me ASAP


IBI is good people, but why to you want such a long barrel?

The biggest issues with 22LR accuracy are with consistent velocities/trajectories. Especially at long range. 400 yds is extreme range for any 22LR.

Peak velocities are actually restricted by having barrels much over 18 inches.

IMHO, you would be better off to put that extra weight into the barrel by increasing its diameter.

The shorter barrel would give better velocities and be stiffer, with less harmonics issues.

Well yes, the struggle at long range IS the point my good fellow! and I very much plan to push it further than 400y. Not saying my skills will be able to actually hit anything, but that's a later me problem!

I've had 16", 18", and 20" and they don't group anywhere near as tightly as my 24" on my 10/22. Also I have a friend who as a 40X that swaps her barrels and her 22" pales in comparison to the 26" at range.
 
A 20"-22" tube will take you well past 400 yards. Feeding the rifle what it likes and learning to read the wind will be what's more important than the barrel length.
 
A 20"-22" tube will take you well past 400 yards. Feeding the rifle what it likes and learning to read the wind will be what's more important than the barrel length.

Yea, that's one part I'm excited to do again, learn and feel her out, my wallet though isn't so happy xD
 
A 20"-22" tube will take you well past 400 yards. Feeding the rifle what it likes and learning to read the wind will be what's more important than the barrel length.

This is very sound advice.

But if you're determined to have a longer barrel, there's nothing wrong with that. If nothing else, and all other things are equal, a longer barrel will provide more weight and hence more stability. There are excellent factory rifles that come with 26 inch and longer barrels that will shoot very well.
 
This is very sound advice.

But if you're determined to have a longer barrel, there's nothing wrong with that. If nothing else, and all other things are equal, a longer barrel will provide more weight and hence more stability. There are excellent factory rifles that come with 26 inch and longer barrels that will shoot very well.

Do some companies still make a 22 with a 26" barrel? I couldn't find any TBH, if so that's something my buddy might jump on!
 
I was in touch with IBI recently, their rimfire blanks are 27" to finish at a max 25". Nobody offers drop-in CZ barrels that are as long as you're looking at, so you'd be looking at a custom blank and a gunsmith to get what you want. CZ 457 Jaguar has a 28.6" barrel, Lux, American, and Training models come in at 24.8".
 
Do some companies still make a 22 with a 26" barrel? I couldn't find any TBH, if so that's something my buddy might jump on!

As noted by a previous poster, Anschutz makes long barreled match rifles, but they are not repeaters. The Anschutz 1710 HB is a repeater with a 23" barrel. The 64 MPR, mentioned above, is also a repeater and its barrel is 25.5".

As Rabid says, there are no long drop-in custom barrels currently available for CZ rifles.
 
You didn't mention what 457 model you have, but if it is not an MTR I would find a barrel from one (if your stock will accommodate a heavy barrel). They pop up on the EE for not a lot of money.

There are many MTRs that have reached that distance. My personal 457 wears a Lilja but I haven't pushed it far yet.
 
My CZ MTR .22 / 20'' BL is xlnt to 200 mtrs
My Anschutz 1710 , 23'' HB is Lights Out to 300 mtrs

I can only wish to be as Ambitious as You .

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My CZ MTR .22 / 20'' BL is xlnt to 200 mtrs
My Anschutz 1710 , 23'' HB is Lights Out to 300 mtrs

Regarding the subject of barrel length and distance shot, there's no reason to doubt the veracity of these particular examples, subject of course to what constitutes "xlnt" [excellent] and "lights out" at the distances.

Do you think there is a relationship between the length of the barrel and the distance it will shoot well (whatever that may be)? That is to say, is the CZ 20" barrel only excellent to 200 meters but not so much beyond, while the Anschutz 23" is lights out only to 300? Does a longer barrel mean better results at longer distances?
 
You didn't mention what 457 model you have, but if it is not an MTR I would find a barrel from one (if your stock will accommodate a heavy barrel). They pop up on the EE for not a lot of money.

There are many MTRs that have reached that distance. My personal 457 wears a Lilja but I haven't pushed it far yet.

I have the Varmint, not the MTR. Still just a 20" tho, and Im dead set on 26" so Ill see if a manu would do it. Worse come to I might take 24" but id rather not. I can do 400 as is now, capability isnt the question for me, I just want better.

Regarding the subject of barrel length and distance shot, there's no reason to doubt the veracity of these particular examples, subject of course to what constitutes "xlnt" [excellent] and "lights out" at the distances.

Do you think there is a relationship between the length of the barrel and the distance it will shoot well (whatever that may be)? That is to say, is the CZ 20" barrel only excellent to 200 meters but not so much beyond, while the Anschutz 23" is lights out only to 300? Does a longer barrel mean better results at longer distances?

From what some hard core addicts have told me its a correlation between barrel mass to mitigate the amount of vibrations produced when firing and the amount of force those vibrations put on the projectile while its traveling down the barrel and when it leaves the muzzle in the air. The CZ is less than 1" in diameter while i think the Anschutz is more along the lines of 1.25" so the CZ will never be on par in that aspect.

As for the barrel length I'm told its a matter of stability and revolutions of spin it puts on the projectile while the length inside of the bore is longer it gives the powders burning off more time and space to remain more consistent in its burn off making your results down range more consistent as well.

Im FAR from an expert, more so over with rimfire as 90% of my shooting has been with a 338, but based on science, and logic I say it makes sense to me.
 
I have the Varmint, not the MTR. Still just a 20" tho, and Im dead set on 26" so Ill see if a manu would do it. Worse come to I might take 24" but id rather not. I can do 400 as is now, capability isnt the question for me, I just want better.



From what some hard core addicts have told me its a correlation between barrel mass to mitigate the amount of vibrations produced when firing and the amount of force those vibrations put on the projectile while its traveling down the barrel and when it leaves the muzzle in the air. The CZ is less than 1" in diameter while i think the Anschutz is more along the lines of 1.25" so the CZ will never be on par in that aspect.

As for the barrel length I'm told its a matter of stability and revolutions of spin it puts on the projectile while the length inside of the bore is longer it gives the powders burning off more time and space to remain more consistent in its burn off making your results down range more consistent as well.

Im FAR from an expert, more so over with rimfire as 90% of my shooting has been with a 338, but based on science, and logic I say it makes sense to me.

All barrels will vibrate, even heavy barrels. The stiffer the barrel, the less it will vibrate at the muzzle, but it will still vibrate. Often a beefier barrel is less ammo sensitive. A rimfire barrel tuner can be used to modify the vibrations in a rimfire barrel to improve accuracy.

Regarding Anschutz barrels, the heaviest is 24mm (.945") in diameter and 690mm (about 27.25") in length. These are on the xx13 match rifles, all single shot. The heaviest barrel Anschutz has currently has on a repeater is the 64 action MPR, which has a muzzle diameter of 24mm. (I seem to recall there's a muzzle swell on this model and so the rest of the barrel may be a little less than 24mm.) The 64 MPR barrel is 650mm (25.5") in length.

The additional weight of a long and heavy barrel will potentially provide greater stability because of greater inertia. But the length of the barrel has little to do with accuracy, whether its at 50 yards, 100, or 200 or more.

The most important factor is the ammo. Once the bullets leave the muzzle, they have no idea how long the barrel was that they passed through. The spin the same out of a 16" barrel or a 26" barrel. If the ammo shoots accurately at 50 or 100 yards, it has the potential to be accurate at longer ranges. If it doesn't shoot accurately at 50 or 100, it can't get any better the further it travels. In other words, the ammo that shoots best at 100 will always have an advantage over any ammo that shoots less well.

When shooting at longer distances, even in a very accurate rifle the ES of the ammo used and changes in wind will have the greatest impact on accuracy. Standard velocity match ammo is always better than high velocity ammo. With SV ammo, each 10 fps difference in MV results in .25" of vertical spread at 100 yards, 1" at 200, about 2" at 300, and 4" at 400 yards. Its well worth noting that a box of good match ammo can often have an ES of 30 fps, more if it's an average box of match ammo. This means at 400 yards a shooter who executes his shots perfectly in a perfect rifle should expect at least 12" of vertical spread because of ammo variation alone. Add wind to the equation, a barely noticeable difference of 1 mph of crosswind between shots will move a SV round 1.35" at 200 yards, nearly 3" at 300, and very close to 5" at 400 yards. Gusting winds will make accuracy at long distances very difficult, especially when ammo variation also plays a key factor.

All this is unaffected by the length of the barrel. In the end, there's no reason why a 20" barrel can't shoot as well as a 26" barrel. By itself, the length of the barrel doesn't give additional accuracy. A longer barrel is usually more responsive to improvements in accuracy by use of a rimfire barrel tuner. But even a tuner will not do much if the ammo is not relatively consistent to begin with.
 
Now thats good info! Wow! Love it, hard facts are great especially when you don't quite know what's what like in my case.

Definitely good food for thought, but still why does a & Schultz 25 in straight taper barrel shoot better than a c Zed 20in straight taper Barrel, evidently there's something going on there
 
Definitely good food for thought, but still why does a & Schultz 25 in straight taper barrel shoot better than a c Zed 20in straight taper Barrel, evidently there's something going on there

By "Schultz" are you referring to Schultz and Larsen rifles? The heavy barrel free rifles probably have 25 inch barrels. The main reason why one barrel may shoot better than another is the quality of the bore and, to a lesser degree, the dimensions of the chamber. Not all barrels are the same, and Schultz and Larsen specialized in making .22LR target rifles. CZ on the other hand mass produces rifles with barrels that can vary a great deal in quality. Some CZ may be very good shooters but they were never made to be competitive with rifles made specifically for target shooting. CZ barrels are usually good for a mass produced rifle but they aren't in the same league as Anschutz, for example. Of course, the price difference between the two is considerable.
 
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