I would be very interested to know if that is true or not. How did Wholesale get that info, when you can't even find the info on CZ website and catalogue?
Can anyone absolutely verify?
Cz 527 Varmint Kevlar
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I would be very interested to know if that is true or not. How did Wholesale get that info, when you can't even find the info on CZ website and catalogue?
Can anyone absolutely verify?
heavenIsAlie
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i found the rates of twist on the CZ usa website, rate of twist for varmint laminated is 1:12 according to them
now im really confused
now im really confused
Nothing confusing about it, really. The laminates are 1:12 and the Kevlar is the faster 1:9.
I went through all this already with a retailer. Apparently there were some early Kevlar models with the slower twist too, so make sure you get a more recent one.
I wish the manufacturer would put the twist on the barrel with the caliber like tikka does on their 223's, I spend a lot of time looking up twist rates for customers
heavenIsAlie
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makes me wonder why wholesale would but that it is 1:9 on their website when it isnt
350tracker
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That's not confirmed, so don't panic just yet. I read this in a review of the 527 on Sniper Central (I think). I'll try to find it again.
Edited to add the review: I've added bold red to the reference to older, slower twist rifles
Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO (.223 Rem) Barrel Length: 24.0" (609 MM) Barrel Details: Hammer Forged, 1:9" Twist Empty Weight: 7.5 pounds (3.4 KG) empty, no optics Overall Length: 41.5" (1054 MM) Magazine: 5 Round detachable box Stock: HS Precision Kevlar Synthetic w/Aluminum bedding block
I do not normally review .223 rifles, as the caliber is not sufficiently suitable in the sniping role. (Read here to find out more). But, I was looking for an accurate and affordable to shoot practice rifle, just to get trigger time. At the same time, I have been hearing some good things about the CZ 527 Varmint rifle, and decided it would fit the bill nicely, and I'll review it for possible law enforcement use. So out I went to pick up a CZ527 Varmint Kevlar. This was suppose to be a bargain rifle, but to be honest, the price was more then I thought it would be for a "bargain" .223. The cheapest I could find it locally was $610 USD. Now that I had the rifle, I brought it home and examined it closely.
One thing to watch out for, the original CZ527 varmint rifles has a 1:12" twist, and if you plan to shoot anything over 55gr, this could be a problem. About 2 years ago (2002) CZ switched to a 1:9" barrel, which is what my test example has. But, some of those 1:12" rifles may still be in circulation. In searching for affordable ammo, and making an acceptable compromise for long-range practice, I decided I would focus primarily on 55gr BT bullets, which is what the M193 original NATO 5.56 Ball ammo is.
Comfortable palm swell is visible in this photo
The 527 Varmint comes with a lighter weight heavy barrel, I would guess a 5 or 5.5 target contour. Its 24" long and hammer forged. It has a recessed target crown. The action is the CZ527 action which is a modified "mini" mauser action. It's only long enough for the .223 size calibers, and this rifle is only currently available in .223. Like all CZ's, the actions have integral scope mounting bases (like Ruger). This caused more of a headache for locating rings (I ended up going with CZ rings) but this is changing, as Burris and Leupold have recently introduced compatible rings. There is a 5 round detachable box magazine that is decently enough built, and functioned without any problems. Though I'm still trying to get used to the magazine release. Currently it's a bit stiff and clumsy, but it should get better. The bolt is typical mauser "claw" extractor and works well. Over all, the action is smooth and pleasant to use. The trigger is a single "set" trigger, and frankly, I don't like it. Set triggers (especially single ones) have no place on tactical rifles, and is borderline on varmint rifles. Though they work well on competition rifles. I didn't measure it official, but when "Set" the trigger is under a pound of pull, and I would guess 10-14 oz somewhere. In reality, the set trigger works well, but I shoot not using the set feature. If you do not set the trigger, it operates as a traditional trigger, but not a very good one. The pull is about 4-5 lbs, which isn't too bad, BUT, the take up is long, with a distinct notch in it. Once you feel the notch, there is slightly more creep, another notch and finally a release. After as nice as the set trigger is, I was a bit bummed about this mode of operation. Once I got used to it, I was able to get the rifle to perform. Now, I might be able to clean that pull up some, or have a professional gunsmith do it.
I mounted a Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40mm with ballisticplex. Mounted using CZ medium height 1" rings. I'll have a review of the Burris scope up in just a few weeks. I broke the rifle in during initial zero, and used PMC 223 55gr ammo. After the formalities were done, I came back a week later for evaluation, and then another trip a week after that. During the evaluation I used various factory loads, including Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr, BlackHills 52gr Match, PMC 55gr and US Issued M193. The PMC is their bulk loading, and cheap price, and as I had hoped, it shoots right around 1 MOA. In terms of the federal loading, the 69gr bullets require a 1:8" twist to stabilize and I wanted to try them in the CZ. Well, I couldn't defeat physics again. While the bullets never tumbled or acted weird, the groups were sporadic and not consistent with an average size of around 1.3 MOA. We got a few groups to go sub MOA, but not consistent enough. The bullets just didn't stabilize enough in the 1:9" twist. The Blackhills 52gr match performed very well, achieving the best accuracy of all the loads we tried. Average group size was about .65" with a low of .43". Unfortunately, its a flat base bullet, and doesn't do well at longer ranges. Now, the most surprising development was the pleasant performance of military issue (Lake City) M193 55gr ammo. This is military ball ammo, and was extremely consistent. Group sizes ran from .62" to .84" With an average right around .75 for all groups!! This was an extremely pleasant discovery and I want to try a couple of other lots to be sure its consistent but so far, so good! Here are some of the groups shot
Conclusions: The CZ527 lived up to its billing, its a very accurate out of the box rifle. I don't like the trigger, but I've also seen worse. The action is smooth, the magazine operation a little clunky, but the rifle is comfortable. The light weight of 7.5 lbs (less optics) make the rifle very handy to carry. It has a short overall length and would make a very good urban tactical rifle. The .223 caliber is not sufficient to trust hostages lives with, but some areas do not have the choice, and are limited to .223. This would make a fine option, especially with some trigger work done.
Edited to add the review: I've added bold red to the reference to older, slower twist rifles
Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO (.223 Rem) Barrel Length: 24.0" (609 MM) Barrel Details: Hammer Forged, 1:9" Twist Empty Weight: 7.5 pounds (3.4 KG) empty, no optics Overall Length: 41.5" (1054 MM) Magazine: 5 Round detachable box Stock: HS Precision Kevlar Synthetic w/Aluminum bedding block
I do not normally review .223 rifles, as the caliber is not sufficiently suitable in the sniping role. (Read here to find out more). But, I was looking for an accurate and affordable to shoot practice rifle, just to get trigger time. At the same time, I have been hearing some good things about the CZ 527 Varmint rifle, and decided it would fit the bill nicely, and I'll review it for possible law enforcement use. So out I went to pick up a CZ527 Varmint Kevlar. This was suppose to be a bargain rifle, but to be honest, the price was more then I thought it would be for a "bargain" .223. The cheapest I could find it locally was $610 USD. Now that I had the rifle, I brought it home and examined it closely.
One thing to watch out for, the original CZ527 varmint rifles has a 1:12" twist, and if you plan to shoot anything over 55gr, this could be a problem. About 2 years ago (2002) CZ switched to a 1:9" barrel, which is what my test example has. But, some of those 1:12" rifles may still be in circulation. In searching for affordable ammo, and making an acceptable compromise for long-range practice, I decided I would focus primarily on 55gr BT bullets, which is what the M193 original NATO 5.56 Ball ammo is.
Comfortable palm swell is visible in this photo
The 527 Varmint comes with a lighter weight heavy barrel, I would guess a 5 or 5.5 target contour. Its 24" long and hammer forged. It has a recessed target crown. The action is the CZ527 action which is a modified "mini" mauser action. It's only long enough for the .223 size calibers, and this rifle is only currently available in .223. Like all CZ's, the actions have integral scope mounting bases (like Ruger). This caused more of a headache for locating rings (I ended up going with CZ rings) but this is changing, as Burris and Leupold have recently introduced compatible rings. There is a 5 round detachable box magazine that is decently enough built, and functioned without any problems. Though I'm still trying to get used to the magazine release. Currently it's a bit stiff and clumsy, but it should get better. The bolt is typical mauser "claw" extractor and works well. Over all, the action is smooth and pleasant to use. The trigger is a single "set" trigger, and frankly, I don't like it. Set triggers (especially single ones) have no place on tactical rifles, and is borderline on varmint rifles. Though they work well on competition rifles. I didn't measure it official, but when "Set" the trigger is under a pound of pull, and I would guess 10-14 oz somewhere. In reality, the set trigger works well, but I shoot not using the set feature. If you do not set the trigger, it operates as a traditional trigger, but not a very good one. The pull is about 4-5 lbs, which isn't too bad, BUT, the take up is long, with a distinct notch in it. Once you feel the notch, there is slightly more creep, another notch and finally a release. After as nice as the set trigger is, I was a bit bummed about this mode of operation. Once I got used to it, I was able to get the rifle to perform. Now, I might be able to clean that pull up some, or have a professional gunsmith do it.
I mounted a Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40mm with ballisticplex. Mounted using CZ medium height 1" rings. I'll have a review of the Burris scope up in just a few weeks. I broke the rifle in during initial zero, and used PMC 223 55gr ammo. After the formalities were done, I came back a week later for evaluation, and then another trip a week after that. During the evaluation I used various factory loads, including Federal Gold Medal Match 69gr, BlackHills 52gr Match, PMC 55gr and US Issued M193. The PMC is their bulk loading, and cheap price, and as I had hoped, it shoots right around 1 MOA. In terms of the federal loading, the 69gr bullets require a 1:8" twist to stabilize and I wanted to try them in the CZ. Well, I couldn't defeat physics again. While the bullets never tumbled or acted weird, the groups were sporadic and not consistent with an average size of around 1.3 MOA. We got a few groups to go sub MOA, but not consistent enough. The bullets just didn't stabilize enough in the 1:9" twist. The Blackhills 52gr match performed very well, achieving the best accuracy of all the loads we tried. Average group size was about .65" with a low of .43". Unfortunately, its a flat base bullet, and doesn't do well at longer ranges. Now, the most surprising development was the pleasant performance of military issue (Lake City) M193 55gr ammo. This is military ball ammo, and was extremely consistent. Group sizes ran from .62" to .84" With an average right around .75 for all groups!! This was an extremely pleasant discovery and I want to try a couple of other lots to be sure its consistent but so far, so good! Here are some of the groups shot
Conclusions: The CZ527 lived up to its billing, its a very accurate out of the box rifle. I don't like the trigger, but I've also seen worse. The action is smooth, the magazine operation a little clunky, but the rifle is comfortable. The light weight of 7.5 lbs (less optics) make the rifle very handy to carry. It has a short overall length and would make a very good urban tactical rifle. The .223 caliber is not sufficient to trust hostages lives with, but some areas do not have the choice, and are limited to .223. This would make a fine option, especially with some trigger work done.
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350tracker
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Thanks for the report. I think my new CZ527 must be a newer version, so I hope...
heavenIsAlie
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i need to find someone with these in stock
heavenIsAlie
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i just ordered it in .204
Bringing back an old thread.
I got my 527 Kevlar in .223 a few weeks ago from Guns n Things.
Initial impressions.
-Smooth action. Very nice, with excellent tight lock up
-Detachable metal mag is nice. Although release button is a bit ackward
-The stock is good, fairly small and light. I do however prefer the HS varmint for the Remington rifles. That being said this one is smaller and has a distinctive look. Also very functional. I like it.
The trigger: The set trigger is excellent. The regular trigger is complete and utter crap. It feels like you're grinding on metal or something. No big deal though, I took it in to a gunsmith. I'm having the regular trigger smoothed out and brought down to 3 pounds. The set trigger I'm hoping for a bit lower maybe 10 ounces, but it's good even the way it is.
I'll be putting a Zeiss Conquest 6-20x 50mm with Rapid Z varmint reticle on this rifle. I bought a bunch at once so I have this one sitting and waiting for a rifle such as this. I also have a pair of Zeiss quick release rings (Made by Warne). So this should get her set up. I'll post more after some ammo testing and eventually reloading.
I got my 527 Kevlar in .223 a few weeks ago from Guns n Things.
Initial impressions.
-Smooth action. Very nice, with excellent tight lock up
-Detachable metal mag is nice. Although release button is a bit ackward
-The stock is good, fairly small and light. I do however prefer the HS varmint for the Remington rifles. That being said this one is smaller and has a distinctive look. Also very functional. I like it.
The trigger: The set trigger is excellent. The regular trigger is complete and utter crap. It feels like you're grinding on metal or something. No big deal though, I took it in to a gunsmith. I'm having the regular trigger smoothed out and brought down to 3 pounds. The set trigger I'm hoping for a bit lower maybe 10 ounces, but it's good even the way it is.
I'll be putting a Zeiss Conquest 6-20x 50mm with Rapid Z varmint reticle on this rifle. I bought a bunch at once so I have this one sitting and waiting for a rifle such as this. I also have a pair of Zeiss quick release rings (Made by Warne). So this should get her set up. I'll post more after some ammo testing and eventually reloading.
"The trigger: The set trigger is excellent. The regular trigger is complete and utter crap. It feels like you're grinding on metal or something. No big deal though, I took it in to a gunsmith. I'm having the regular trigger smoothed out and brought down to 3 pounds. The set trigger I'm hoping for a bit lower maybe 10 ounces, but it's good even the way it is."
I was just on Rifle Basix web site and noticed that they now have replacement triggers for this gun. Has anyone used it?
I was just on Rifle Basix web site and noticed that they now have replacement triggers for this gun. Has anyone used it?
heavenIsAlie
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not having a scope for mine is KILLING me, sitting in storage for over a month just begging to be shot
Shimmer,
The set trigger is so nice that I didn't really want to get rid of the whole set up. I like the idea. Once the regular trigger is down to 3 pounds with the creep smoothed out, it should rock. I have faith in my gunsmith.
. If it doesn't work out I'll look at a replacement trigger.
Waiting for a Falcon Menace scope? Or just saving up? What are you planning on putting on your rifle?
By the way I can share your pain. I was buying a lot of rifles for a while and didn't have any scopes. There are some rifles that I didn't shoot for an entire year after purchasing them.
The set trigger is so nice that I didn't really want to get rid of the whole set up. I like the idea. Once the regular trigger is down to 3 pounds with the creep smoothed out, it should rock. I have faith in my gunsmith.
. If it doesn't work out I'll look at a replacement trigger. Waiting for a Falcon Menace scope? Or just saving up? What are you planning on putting on your rifle?
By the way I can share your pain. I was buying a lot of rifles for a while and didn't have any scopes. There are some rifles that I didn't shoot for an entire year after purchasing them.
heavenIsAlie
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yea im waiting for the falcon FFP that has been delayed
