CZ-557...Canadian Rangers?

Interesting read, thanks for posting that up.

I don't know much about CZ's... thanks for Screwtape for the feature comparison as well.

Does that look like a double stack 10 round mag? This could be a very neat entry in to the "high end scout rifle" market if there is such a thing. Even if this isn't adopted by the Rangers (and I agree they should get it), CZ should think about putting this exact configuration into commercial production, sight hood and all.
 
Interesting read, thanks for posting that up.

I don't know much about CZ's... thanks for Screwtape for the feature comparison as well.

Does that look like a double stack 10 round mag? This could be a very neat entry in to the "high end scout rifle" market if there is such a thing. Even if this isn't adopted by the Rangers (and I agree they should get it), CZ should think about putting this exact configuration into commercial production, sight hood and all.

I'd be in for one anyway. CZ is a great firearms company, and that whole rifle looks like an extremely well-planned design. Either wood stock or composite would be fine with me. Oh yes, and that magazine DOES look like a 10-round double stacker to me.

I don't suppose the rifle has a charger guide on it to allow top loading with stripper clips like the old Lee Enfields, does it? That would be just the icing on the cake, even if it could only be used when the rifle was in iron sights configuration.
 
I'd be in for one anyway. CZ is a great firearms company, and that whole rifle looks like an extremely well-planned design. Either wood stock or composite would be fine with me. Oh yes, and that magazine DOES look like a 10-round double stacker to me.

I don't suppose the rifle has a charger guide on it to allow top loading with stripper clips like the old Lee Enfields, does it? That would be just the icing on the cake, even if it could only be used when the rifle was in iron sights configuration.

A (1) bolt action with a (2) ten round, (3) double stacn (4).308 (or .223), with (5) charger guide and (6) excellent rear irons is a massive wet dream for me. Five outta Six ain't bad, and number Six is easily retrofitted.
 
Interesting read, thanks for posting that up.

I don't know much about CZ's... thanks for Screwtape for the feature comparison as well.

Does that look like a double stack 10 round mag? This could be a very neat entry in to the "high end scout rifle" market if there is such a thing. Even if this isn't adopted by the Rangers (and I agree they should get it), CZ should think about putting this exact configuration into commercial production, sight hood and all.

Actually CZ's (most of them anyway) are controlled feed - this config would indeed make an excellent Scout
 
Wow, I agree, great catch... I wonder if the seller knew, or if it was just assumed to be a modified gun. Regardless, it's probably worth way more than what you paid for it. Can't wait to hear what CZ says about this either.
 
So far as I know, the Army still has about 1,300 of those new Irish contract (in the grease) rifles they purchased for the Rangers. Seems to me that if the #4s now in use are all beat up, the easy solution is to issue them brand new rifles. I have a couple and they shoot very well.

That CZ looks nice.
 
Hopefully I'm not derailing too much, but why can't PGW make something for the Rangers? Make a simpler less precision focused 7.62x51mm chambered rifle. They're Canadian, got the tooling and the expertise.

On topic, that CZ is really cool. Lucky. I wonder how many trial rifles are floating around.
 
Hopefully I'm not derailing too much, but why can't PGW make something for the Rangers? Make a simpler less precision focused 7.62x51mm chambered rifle. They're Canadian, got the tooling and the expertise.

On topic, that CZ is really cool. Lucky. I wonder how many trial rifles are floating around.

PGW could make a rifle to spec, however would they be price competitive to the large competitors already vying for the contract...

gadget
 
PGW could make a rifle to spec, however would they be price competitive to the large competitors already vying for the contract...

gadget

That's why I hoped simpler and less precision focused would do. Bring that price down to Earth.
 
Colt Canada would not make the rifle. but they would have the plans/spec to make part if the need arose. that way Canada would still have access to parts if say Ruger went tits up. but you will almost never find a competitor giving away his trade secrets to another.

same thing happened with the tender to replace the HiPower. i think it was Glock or Sig, but they said stuff it when it came to handing over the TDP to Colt Canada
 
I know that's a strange mentality seeing as were dealing with guns and not something super top secret. I don't figure it would be too difficult to reverse engineer a Ruger M77 or a Glock etc etc

Doesn't it have to do with the legality of using someone else's design? If Canada reverse engineers someone else's gun couldn't the owner of that design come along and sue Canada?
 
I know that's a strange mentality seeing as were dealing with guns and not something super top secret. I don't figure it would be too difficult to reverse engineer a Ruger M77 or a Glock etc etc

Yes and no. It would be very easy for any halfway competent manufacturer to build a pistol the exact shape and size of a Glock with parts that would interchange with a Glock - that's just a question of taking a Glock apart and measuring all the bits and pieces.

The hard part comes when you try to duplicate the quality and performance of the original weapon. And to do that, you more than likely have to duplicate the manufacturing process used to make the original parts. For metal parts, the knowledge needed includes the exact alloy composition of the original, as well as the smelting, forging and tempering process used to harden and toughen the metal correctly. For synthetic parts, it would be the exact mix of polymers (and for things like Glock frames, the type and quantity of metal mixed in with it) and the curing process used to create a part with the desired combination of strength, flex, durability, UV and heat resistance, and so forth .

All of that information will likely be closely held trade secrets of the original manufacturer, who won't be too eager to see it leaked outside the company. After all, if Glock told Colt Canada exactly how it made its polymer frames so that Colt Canada could service CF Glocks, what would prevent Colt Canada from then using that knowledge in later designs of its own?

The thing is, in the firearms world as in many other places, much of this type of information is not patented but instead is just protected by internal company secrecy. The reason: patents eventually expire, and then the information in them is out there and open to anyone to use; company secrets, on the other hand, are .... well ... secret, for as long as the company maintains its security.

That's why the recipe for Coca Cola is still not protected by patent but instead guarded by internal company secrecy after more than a century.

Doesn't it have to do with the legality of using someone else's design? If Canada reverse engineers someone else's gun couldn't the owner of that design come along and sue Canada?

Not if the design owner had licensed Canada to use the design. Otherwise, it would entirely depend on whether or not the copied portions were protected by patent or other intellectual property law.
 
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Yes and no. It would be very easy for any halfway competent manufacturer to build a pistol the exact shape and size of a Glock with parts that would interchange with a Glock - that's just a question of taking a Glock apart and measuring all the bits and pieces.

The hard part comes when you try to duplicate the quality and performance of the original weapon. And to do that, you more than likely have to duplicate the manufacturing process used to make the original parts. For metal parts, the knowledge needed includes the exact alloy composition of the original, as well as the smelting, forging and tempering process used to harden and toughen the metal correctly. For synthetic parts, it would be the exact mix of polymers (and for things like Glock frames, the type and quantity of metal mixed in with it) and the curing process used to create a part with the desired combination of strength, flex, durability, UV and heat resistance, and so forth .

All of that information will likely be closely held trade secrets of the original manufacturer, who won't be too eager to see it leaked outside the company. After all, if Glock told Colt Canada exactly how it made its polymer frames so that Colt Canada could service CF Glocks, what would prevent Colt Canada from then using that knowledge in later designs of its own?

The thing is, in the firearms world as in many other places, much of this type of information is not patented but instead is just protected by internal company secrecy. The reason: patents eventually expire, and then the information in them is out there and open to anyone to use; company secrets, on the other hand, are .... well ... secret, for as long as the company maintains its security.

That's why the recipe for Coca Cola is still not protected by patent but instead guarded by internal company secrecy after more than a century.



Not if the design owner had licensed Canada to use the design. Otherwise, it would entirely depend on whether or not the copied portions were protected by patent or other intellectual property law.

^^ that's probably one of the most comprehensive responses I've ever received on CGN....Bravo Sir!
 
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