CZ-75 platform... do the MIM part really break that often? CZ-75 and hand size.

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I've read a lot of complaints about the CZ 75 platform guns having regular parts breakages due to the parts being MIM. Slide stop pin was the one I saw the most, followed by I think it was the firing pin retaining pin, or maybe the firing pin block. The reviews seemed to indicate that these parts are just accepted to be consumable items on the platform which should be replaced at particular intervals. Has this been your experience?

Also, I've read a lot of conflicting information on whether the CZ-75 is good for people with medium to small hands. Many said the grip itself wasn't bad, but that the trigger reach was long. How do those of you with medium to small size hands find the CZ-75? I take a "medium" or size 7 glove. For grip size and trigger reach, the 1911 feels perfect to me as does the M&P9. I never felt comfortable or consistent shooting the Glock 17, as the bulk of the grip affected me being able to reach the trigger adequately with proper form.

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pistols are highly personal, a good analogy is same size shoes may or may not be a good fit. but CZ work well for most people. with size 7 gloves, you are unlikely to have issues.

slide stop is designed to be a sacrificial part, like a shear bolt in power equipment. with normal ammo, it should last 10-20k rounds. +P will kill it sooner.
firing pin stop pin will break eventually if the user dry fires the gun a lot without a dummy round in the chamber or a soft pad under the hammer, this applies to most pistols of similar design.

best option IMO are Shadow / Shadowline models without FP block. there's no cross pin to fail, easy to upgrade
 
I shoot competitively with a CZ Shadow 2. I have small hands and installed a RRK (Reach Reduction Kit). With this, and a set of Brass LOK aggressive grips, I'm the weak link in the chain. CZ's (IMO), are the best pistols for competition - in any division.

As 5.45 stated - the slide stop is set up to break before anything else does. I've had one break (not in competition thankfully), but always have 2 spares just in case.
 
The trigger reach for DA mode is 2.9” and about 2.6” on SA mode. If you’re comfortable with an M&P reach then the SA reach will be just fine (it’s basically the same). The DA is quite frankly too long for anyone who doesn’t wear a large or an extra large glove. You can compromise your grip so you get a solid trigger press or you can have it in condition one in your holster and shoot it SA mode only.

I’ve pretty much given up on DA/SA pistols, my fingers just aren’t long enough to operate the DA and have a good grip.

I wear a large glove which fits my palm but the fingers are a bit too short.
 
I can't justify a Shadow or any of the upper tier CZ handguns at the current prices, so I'm really only considering the CZ-75 Omega. Even that is almost beyond my comfort zone price-wise. I'm not a match shooter, I just plink for fun so I don't need cutting edge. I'm also not a tinkerer and I really don't like spending money replacing parts on a gun right out of the box.

So aside from the very long DA pull, short slide stop and firing pin stop service life, are there any other known issues/inadequacies one might encounter with a CZ-75 Omega that someone considering one should know about? No difference in grip size from the Shadows?
 
The omega is nice because you get the big beavertail that's otherwise only foudn on the SP01 and some of the stainless models. It's a different trigger mech than the other CZ75 series guns though just so you're aware.

If you swap out the grip panels to thin grips you shouldn't have an issue with the trigger reach, and if you're only bench shooting/plinking you can shoot SA only and not worry about DA at all. Also with casual shooting you're probably not going to wear out any parts, IMO.
 
Mcarbo sells a spring weight reduction kit it comes with a higher strength firing pin retaining pin and a floating trigger pin a few places sell them like bullseye

Cajun Gunworks is parts galor but in the US some places carry their stuff like doubletap. Hopefully a mass influx of CZ owners will increase the supply of parts being brought in.
 
I got most of my Cajun Gunworks parts from Double Tap. Also got some from Wild West. Some are also available through ###### Armory.
 
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Thanks. Lots of good information here.

What do you guys think about the CZ-75 Omega vs the P-09? As far as I've read the P-09 is almost the exact same gun but with a polymer frame. Is the cost savings of the P-09 worth it? I'd imagine the 75 manages recoil much better being all steel.

Calibre Magazine gave the P-09 a great review except they said the grip was quite large. Is the grip bigger than the CZ-75?
 
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So I just picked up a spare slide stop and a recoil spring for mine. I shoot in the same manner as you so Im not too concerned about having to cycle parts often. I did figure the slide stop looks to be a part that takes a lot of force, but at the rate I shoot maybe in a few years if I need it, its in a box at home, the spring as well. The mcarbo trigger kit was 61$ so I grabbed one of those as well, I don't plan on putting it in anytime soon but for the springs etc incase there's a failure of unusual circumstances, it's there.
 
CanuckShooter said:
Thanks. Lots of good information here.

What do you guys think about the CZ-75 Omega vs the P-09? As far as I've read the P-09 is almost the exact same gun but with a polymer frame. Is the cost savings of the P-09 worth it? I'd imagine the 75 manages recoil much better being all steel.

Calibre Magazine gave the P-09 a great review except they said the grip was quite large. Is the grip bigger than the CZ-75?
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Ya the P09 and P10F have huge grips because they have very high capacity magazines up to 21 round magazines which are not allowed in Canada so ultimately pointless. I have a P07 and a P10SC because they share magazines. The P09 and P10F share magazines as well.
 
steel frame 75 Omega will likely outlast a polymer frame, and has much softer recoil

one item I forgot to mention: trigger return spring is another wear item on most DA/SA designs (average life expectancy 6-15k trigger pulls, cost to replace <$8). if you are planning to practice and dry fire, order a few spares. on a regular CZ75, a free floating trigger pin makes the swap easier. not sure if it fits the Omega.

surplus pre-B 75 models, stay away from, unless it is a "transitional" unit with modern frame and front sight design
 
Ravage said:
Ya the P09 and P10F have huge grips because they have very high capacity magazines up to 21 round magazines which are not allowed in Canada so ultimately pointless. I have a P07 and a P10SC because they share magazines. The P09 and P10F share magazines as well.
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Huge as in wide, or huge as in long?
 
CanuckShooter said:
Huge as in wide, or huge as in long?
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way long grip the rest is like other full sized handguns its just the grip length. The P-07 and P-10C and SC are pretty much exactly the same as the P-09 and P-10F other than just having a 10 round magazine sized grip length so that is why I picked them. Even with my large hands there was like 2" of grip sticking down below my pinkie finger when I held the P-09 haha exaggerating a bit but ya they are long but if you lived in a free country and could use the full capacity magazines they would be a better choice
 
CanuckShooter said:
I've read a lot of complaints about the CZ 75 platform guns having regular parts breakages due to the parts being MIM. Slide stop pin was the one I saw the most...
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I just want to point out that this has nothing to do with metal injection moulding. CZ75 slide stops have always had a reputation for breakage, and I'm pretty sure they weren't making them by MIM 30 years ago.
 
BattleRife said:
I just want to point out that this has nothing to do with metal injection moulding. CZ75 slide stops have always had a reputation for breakage, and I'm pretty sure they weren't making them by MIM 30 years ago.
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Is this a normal thing with other guns? What's the life expectancy for a side stop on say a 1911, Glock, etc? I don't shoot crazy high volume so I have no idea.

Are you saying it's moreso due to the 75 being a flawed design?
 
CanuckShooter said:
Is this a normal thing with other guns? What's the life expectancy for a side stop on say a 1911, Glock, etc? I don't shoot crazy high volume so I have no idea.

Are you saying it's moreso due to the 75 being a flawed design?
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Well, there are 1911's that were made in 1911 that still have their slide stops so my math says at least 111 years.
 
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