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Just got a CZ and find that DA trigger to be pretty heavy - you can almost hear the spring compressing as you pull the trigger :eek: not smooth at all! :/ SA trigger is not bad but what can I do I fix the DA that wouldn't take the gun out of Production if I decide to use it in IPSC?
 
Just got a CZ and find that DA trigger to be pretty heavy - you can almost hear the spring compressing as you pull the trigger :eek: not smooth at all! :/ SA trigger is not bad but what can I do I fix the DA that wouldn't take the gun out of Production if I decide to use it in IPSC?

Throw a lighter mainspring in when you change out the mag brake so you have drop free mags.
Then dry fire a lot.

I have about 6000 rounds through my 75b and many thousand dry fires and the DA trigger is starting to get pretty decent.
 
To stay in Production you'll want to be careful to stay with OEM parts. CZ sells some replacement parts that may improve your situation and still remain Production-legal. While CZ says they will not ship outside CONTUS, other Canadian retailers - such as Double Tap - and U.S. exporting retailers - such as Brownells - may sell the CZ products that you would desire.

https://shop.cz-usa.com/SearchByCategory.aspx?CategoryCode=38

http://www.doubletapsports.com/
 
Throw a lighter mainspring in when you change out the mag brake so you have drop free mags.Then dry fire a lot.
The weird thing is gun mags are already drop free! The one I handled at a store wasn't! :S ?

Does shadow has a lighter mainspring? I guess I can get Wolff springs if I can't find anything CZ...
 
The weird thing is gun mags are already drop free! The one I handled at a store wasn't! :S ?

Does shadow has a lighter mainspring? I guess I can get Wolff springs if I can't find anything CZ...


You need to use CZ factory parts.
Ghost Holster is where I get all my CZ bits.

Shadow has lighter main and no firing pin block so the 75b will never be quite as nice.
It will get pretty decent though. Just dry fire the crap out of it.
 
Hey Lugger
Got some springs from Angus in the States (Ghost Products or CZ USA). He is a factory supplier so it is all legal for Production as parts are from CZ.

There are also suppliers listed above who support us, so try them as well (Armco) etc.

I installed a lighter mainspring and recoil as I shoot minor PF and runs great. Trigger dropped significantly, never measured the weight but it is noticeable.

Cheers
 
Mag brake

My CZ 75b stainless did not have drop free mag brake I just smoothed it flat with my finger over some time and the mags drop free now.
 
Hmm..how come mine drops the mags free than? Not complaining just wondering. :)

btw what is the weight of the stock mainspring and recoil spring of a 9mm model?
 
From the CZ Forum:
The Function of Recoil Springs:
When shooting 9mm factory ammunition, changing the bullet weight doesn't normally require changing recoil springs with standard pressure ammunition. The velocity of the load is important, but this is normally only a factor with +P and +P+ ammunition.

The central ideas behind matching a particular load to a recoil spring are: 1) Assuring proper functioning; and 2) Improving subjective, or felt recoil.

A self-loader requires enough energy to strip a round off the magazine and return the slide to battery. The recoil spring must be strong enough to insure proper function. However, if the recoil spring is too strong, it will cause battering as the slide returns forward. In some extreme cases, the slide can return to battery with such force that it actually rebounds, since the impact of metal on metal causes a "bounce." (Later, I refer to this as "bounceback.") For this reason, the operator does not want to use the strongest possible recoil spring, but he/she wants to match the spring to the load.

When shooting higher velocity ammunition, a stronger recoil spring may be necessary. The idea is that this reduces some of the battering on the pistol, because higher pressure and velocity ammunition will cause the slide to move rearward with greater force and velocity. Theoretically, the perfect recoil spring for a particular load will reach maximum compression as the slide reaches its maximum rearward travel. In such a case, the spring is actually slowing the slide down just before it is jolted by the slide stop. The spring then releases its stored energy, moving the slide forward.

In practice, I am not sure if I accept this theory, if for no other reason than the highest rated recoil springs for the CZ tend to cause the "bounceback" phenomenon I described above. (In other words, something is definitely getting "battered" as the pistol returns to battery.) At any rate, a stronger recoil spring will not prolong barrel life. Due to the nature of Browning-derived locking systems, the locking lugs will receive more punishment, despite the stronger spring. Also, high-pressure ammunition accelerates metal fatigue, particularly in the chamber.

However, a stronger recoil spring does improve the subjective, or felt recoil, for the shooter. This appears to be a function of slower slide travel and a general "smoothing out" of the recoil impulse. In other words, the heavier recoil spring lowers slide velocity, but it does not address the higher pressure associated with high velocity 9mm.

SAAMI, CIP, and NATO:

Although chronographs are available to shooters to measure bullet velocities, lay people have no means available to them to accurately measure pressure. Ammunition and arms manufacturers have found it desirable to establish standards for maximum pressure and the testing procedures used to determine them. In the United States, the peak pressures of commercially sold small arms cartridges are established by an independent non-governmental organization. This voluntary entity is SAAMI: Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute.

For 9mm Luger (aka 9x19, 9mm Parabellum), SAAMI sets this maximum at 35,000 p.s.i. SAAMI "standard" pressure cartridges in this caliber NEVER exceed 35,000 p.s.i. Typically, the peak pressure of a standard 9mm cartridge will fall in the 27,000 - 35,000 p.s.i. range.

SAAMI has established the "+P" designation for certain popular cartridges. This because many modern firearms in these calibers can withstand higher pressures than earlier versions. In handgun cartridges, these are: 9mm Luger. .38 Special, .38 Super Auto, and .45 ACP. Cartridges bearing the +P headstamp exceed normal SAAMI standards, but they do not exceed the +P standard. In 9mm Luger, +P rated cartridges fall in the 35,001 - 38,500 p.s.i. range.

"+P+" is NOT a SAAMI designation. Ammunition marked "+P+" exceeds all accepted SAAMI standards. This is problematic because the consumer has no idea how high the pressures generated by this ammunition will peak. Shooting so-called +P+ ammunition in any real quantity will still shorten the service life of pistols that can handle it.

The European equivalent if SAAMI is CIP: the Commision Internationale Permanente. CIP maximum pressure for 9mm Luger is similar to SAAMI +P. Commercial ammunition made in Europe that conforms to the CIP standards will be conspicuously marked "CIP." Most of this 9mm ammunition, such as Sellier & Bellot, Fiocchi, etc. seems well within normal SAAMI standards. CIP ammunition does not use the +P designation; all cartridges have only one maximum.

NATO has established its own standards for 9mm ammunition. Since the nominal velocity for NATO 9mm is 1300 fps the peak pressure of this ammunition exceeds SAAMI +P and CIP standards.


Matching Recoil Springs to Ammunition Types:

Based on my experiences, here are my suggestions for the CZ 75/85 series pistols in 9mm. For .40 S&W (CZ 75B) and .45 ACP (CZ 97B), please see the final paragraph. The symbol # indicates the pound symbol (lbs.)

12# = Light target handloads, swaged lead bullet loads. Some OEM springs may be this light. Most owners shoot standard 9mm factory ammunition with this spring weight and have no problems. This weight may be a little too light for a self-defense weapon; I have noticed that the OEM springs cause jams as they wear out.

14# = Most "economy" ammunition. Ammunition falling within normal SAAMI standards and most CIP ammunition. This is the nominal weight of OEM springs. This weight would be ideal for the vast majority of 9mm shooters. This weight has the advantage of fitting well before taking its "set."

16# = Most "defense" ammunition or ammunition at the high end of CIP and normal SAAMI standards. Most SAAMI +P. I tend to favor this weight, if only because the springs last for about 5,000 hot handloads with no hiccups. 16# springs will fit tightly until they take their "set."


18# = Ammunition at the high end of SAAMI +P and some maximum published handloads. I tended to get "bounceback" in both a CZ-75 transitional and CZ-75B SA with this weight. However, it did make the recoil impulse smoother with this hot ammunition.

20-22# = Theoretically, ammunition exceeding SAAMI +P standards, such as 9mm NATO. In all honesty, I don't recommend shooting overpressure 9mm in the first place. Custom pistols with compensators are better suited to this type of ammunition, not CZs. Realistically, most people would probably use a recoil buffer and an 18# spring in a CZ. I doubt that the 20# and 22# Wolff springs would fit without binding, since they were originally designed for a large frame Tanfoglio.

The nominal spring weight for the .40 S&W CZ 75B is 16#, which means the OEM springs are probably more like 14#. I would recommend the use of the Wolff 16# spring with the CZ 75B in .40 S&W. Since so-called .40 S&W +P ammunition is best avoided (it also tends to use bullet weights better suited for 10mm), 16# should be ideal for the vast majority of shooters. This is also true of the CZ 97B in .45 ACP. I would recommend the 16# or 18# spring in the CZ 97B, but the 18# is a real tight fit in the .45 ACP pistol. The 18# spring is also likely to cause "bounceback" in these pistols, like the 9mm versions.

What I Actually Do Myself (Your Mileage May Vary):

In theory, you shouldn't change a recoil spring out of hand, and I don't advocate it as a general policy. However, I've been shooting CZ pistols for about seven years now, and I have changed a lot of recoil springs in those years. If you are at the point where you own one or more CZs and know you will need to replace the recoil springs sooner or later, you might as well standardize on 14# or 16# weight, since the springs are cheaper in quantity.

14# springs will fit in all models without binding or causing any initial problems; this includes the CZ 97B model. 16# springs do not always fit smoothly before taking their first "set" by firing a magazine or two. In other words, you should probably standardize on the 16# weight if you own a .40 S&W or .45 ACP model, since 16# will also work in 9mm. If you only own one or more 9mm models, you have the option of either 14# or 16# recoil springs. The 14# springs are OEM specification and fit better. If you are only going to be shooting bulk 115 gr. ammunition in the pistol, there is no real need for the 16# springs. The 16# springs will last longer with 9mm, and they are more pleasant with hotter loads. Since I shoot mostly handloads and own several different models, I use the 16# spring exclusively.

One trick I have learned is using my 9mm 75B SA as the pistol to "set" the springs for the others. For some reason, it never chokes with a brand new 16# spring, whereas several of my other pistols really bind with a new 16# spring (particularly the 97B).
 
A 13# mainspring will drop your DA trigger pull down to a hair over 5#'s. I have yet to have a light strike in any of my CZ's with this weight of mainspring. IF you switch to a .22LR kit go with 15# mainspring as a minimum to ensure ignition on the .22LR cartridges.

Because I load to around 130 PF I have settled on a reduced recoil spring from Ghost. Seems to work well.

Take Care

Bob
 
A 13# mainspring will drop your DA trigger pull down to a hair over 5#'s. I have yet to have a light strike in any of my CZ's with this weight of mainspring.

The only time I have seen a lighter mainspring cause a problem with light primer strikes is when the primers were not fully seated. The last brooks match there was a batch of ammo with the odd high primer that was giving fits to some cz owners with lighter springs although the ones with full power mainsprings used the same lot but experienced no problems.
 
How can high primers cause light primer strikes. I am not calling you a liar but this just doesnt make any physical sense. Unless the firing pin was actually seating the primer but this seems hard to believe. Maby really hard primers, but just doesn't make sense.

As far as the single action trigger pull is concerned when do you actually use the single action pull anyhow. In comp you are gonna rack a round anyways, unless you are using a decocker you wouldnt need the DA trigger pull. I could understand if you are carrying but at the range or comp just wondering why?
 
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How can high primers cause light primer strikes. I am not calling you a liar but this just doesnt make any physical sense. Unless the firing pin was actually seating the primer but this seems hard to believe. Maby really hard primers, but just doesn't make sense.

As far as the single action trigger pull is concerned when do you actually use the single action pull anyhow. In comp you are gonna rack a round anyways, unless you are using a decocker you wouldnt need the SA trigger pull. I could understand if you are carrying but at the range or comp just wondering why?

You mean D/A?
 
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