CZ 75 vs 75b
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Just because a design is newer doesn't necessarily make it better.
Just as I'd take a pre-B CZ over B model, I'd take a Series 70 Colt over a Series 80 any day.
"B" in the name stands for Firing Pin Block - an additional safety feature that blocks firing pin and thus prevents AD (accidental discharge) in case gun was dropped and lands on its hammer. One has to pull trigger to free up pin.
Both guns will be excellent shooters, 75 will have better trigger feel and shorter trigger reset.
75B can be transferred into 75 by removing FPB, FPB lifter and spring and installing a spacer in lifter's place. But the mod will make gun illegal in many formal competitions.
New 75Bs come in two flavours too - the "newest" being Omega - new Omega trigger system, same as on P07 Duty. It's not as easy to get such a gun tuned up. Also, more newer 75Bs come with different frame where bever tail is upswept.. They still produce 75Bs with 'regular' trigger system.
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Both guns will be excellent shooters, 75 will have better trigger feel and shorter trigger reset.
75B can be transferred into 75 by removing FPB, FPB lifter and spring and installing a spacer in lifter's place. But the mod will make gun illegal in many formal competitions.
New 75Bs come in two flavours too - the "newest" being Omega - new Omega trigger system, same as on P07 Duty. It's not as easy to get such a gun tuned up. Also, more newer 75Bs come with different frame where bever tail is upswept.. They still produce 75Bs with 'regular' trigger system.
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I think you got it backwards; there's no need for DA on a gun with a manual safety. To paraphrase Jeff Cooper, the double action auto is an ingenious solution to a non-existent problem.
I have a CZ 75B and like it, but I think the pre-B lockwork without the firing pin block is better. It makes for easier detail stripping and is more robust, as firing pin isn't retained by a roll pin. The CZ 85 Combat still uses the old-style lockwork.
I read you can remove the firing pin block on a 75b, but can you go the other way around and add a firing pin block to an older 75. What difference will it really make having this feature, if you did drop the gun accidentally are you going to shoot someone?
Firing pin safeties exist to make lawyers sleep better at night, they serve no useful purpose. Thankfully you cannot add a firing pin block to a gun that was produced by a factory that had the common sense to leave one out.
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What about mags?
Will the new mags fit the pre-B guns?
John
Will the new mags fit the pre-B guns?
John
I have one of each. I think the finish of the preB is nicer. Sort of dark gray instead of black.
I have tricked out the B, the older one is still original.
I could sell it to someone who would give it a good home.
I have tricked out the B, the older one is still original.
I could sell it to someone who would give it a good home.
I agree with what Trigun says. He used to have a very nice CZ 75B
It works great, thanks Trigun
I agree with what Trigun says. He used to have a very nice CZ 75B
It works great, thanks Trigun
Hee you look after her really well
Yes can't go wrong with CZ.Trigun
I can say "yes" to that as I have both a Shadow and a pre B 75 and I'm sharing the mags back and forth without any issue at all.
The Shadow comes without the firing pin block because the extra parts apparently give the trigger some added stiffness or roughness. The hole for the blocking pin is there and the firing pin has the recess for it but that's it.
What this means is that the Shadow's action is thus effectively the same as the pre B 75's. This means that the same lightness and smoothness we see in the Shadow can be duplicated in the pre B 75 models. Or I suppose that one could remove the blocking parts similar to what was done for the Shadow if they are making the trigger pull a bit nasty.
Either way they are superb guns. Mine aren't going anywhere any time soon.
One thing you guys should no CZ changed the internal dimensions of the magwell with the introduction of the 75B pistols. New mags for the 75B won't often fit in the older 75's. My Pre-B 85 Combat had to have the mag well dremelled out internally to allow the new mags to fit. If you own a Pre-B and the new mags work the gun likely has had the magwell opened up. In additon there are Pre-B's and what s referred to as transition models where the guns have some features of the the Pre-B but aren't exactly B's either. Eg. my 85Combat had the squared off trigger guard but the older round cut in the slide for the adjustable sight. If you ask on the CZ Forum guys can give you more details on any other differences.
The trigger system remains the same to this day save and except for the FPB. That and CZ just recently introduced the Omega trigger system. Some guys like it some don't.
The slide stop dimensions also changed so if and when the slide stop breaks, and the older 85 Combats do after a zillion rounds or so you have to have the hole in the frame opened up to accomodate the newer slide release levers.
I should add I sold my 85 Combat in a fit of stupidity. It had the zillion rounds on it and was as tight as it was when it left the factory. Accuracy was outstanding. did I mention how smooth the trigger was. If you bought an 85 Combat from Gunnar a couple of years ago with a very low serial number - 739 comes to mind then you have when heck of a gun.
Take Care
Bob
Bob, my preB75 has not had any grinding down to the well. But it did come to me missing any sort of mag brake. I made a flat one up from some thin stainless sheet I had as per the one in my Shadow. My new 10 rounders all fall out cleanly other than one which I can feel a slight misalignment on between the steel and plastic part. Just need to clean that up a touch.
