CZ 858-2 Tactical VS Ruger Mini-30

Status
Not open for further replies.
58/858's are dead easy to dis-assemble and clean, including the gas system.

The 58/858's are very light weight.

30/5 round mags might look cumbersome, but they are actually very maneuverable in the thick stuff.

I think it would make a great deer/bush gun. (if you can use a rifle for deer :()
 
blueflash said:
My origional post just asked if there is any advantages in buying the CZ over the Ruger Mini-30. I have owned SKS rifles, and for sure they are the best bang for your buck in a 7.62x39 sized rifle. I used the SKS for one season hunting also, I just found that my buddy's Mini-30 was a lot nicer to carry when we are bushwacking, since it was about 2 pounds lighter. I will probably end up buying a Ruger Mini-30, just because it looks "Military" than the CZ.

I just wanted to know if there is any advantages to the CZ over the Ruger.
Click to expand...


I started a thread exactly like yours before choosing my cz, check it out.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=365180

The cz doesn't have a chromed barrel, probably the only advantage a mini has over it
 
The CZ feels a little bit lighter then the Ruger and is not as "fat" as the Ruger. And ive found that my CZ points/handles wayyy better then my buddies ruger that ive tried( mostly cause of the pistol grip and fairly short LOP). Ive used my CZ using 123gr soft points with lots of success on deer.
 
Buy the Ruger Mini-30. Far better gun, you won't regret spending the extra cash on a Ruger. I had one years ago and regret ever selling it. Mine was very accurate even with military ammo. Probobly put a couple thousand rounds threw it and never had so much as a hickup.
 
I still have'nt made up my mind 100% on the gun still. If I did get a CZ, I would buy a couple of the 5 round mags for hunting, so I don't have to worry about the extra bulk or prone shooting. I did get a couple of weird looks when I showed up with a SKS at the hunt camp, and I bet the CZ would get the same weird looks.

I do have to admit though. The Ruger in the new 6.8spc has really caught my eye. I am just a little iffy in getting a rifle in a "new different" cartridge. I know it was developed for the military, but it has'nt exactly been adopted yet. If it has caught on with the military, then I think that the 6.8spc would be here to stay.
 
Try get out and shoot both before you decide. I'm not sure about the Mini-30 but the Mini-14 doesn't have an exactly stellar reputation for accuracy. The CZ is a military rifle that has gone through all the hoops of military trials ect. and has stood the test of time. In the end it's your choice, my vote is firmly in the CZ camp, guess that makes me a wannabe :rolleyes:.
 
CobraGT said:
Nice... :rolleyes: Sure, insult probably 80% of the people here. I don't suppose you've actually tried one, huh? :nest:

Back on topic - both nice rifles. Probably easier to scope a Mini, but the 858's lighter. Just my 2 cents :)

cheers!
Click to expand...

I have a cz 858 , it came with a sloppy trigger group and a gremlin free of charge. Calling owners of a cz858 "Wannabes" is an insult? Fact is most people who bought them bought them for looks because "it looks like an AK" sorta.

Not all people who bought a cz858 are happy with them.
 
I would not even consider the Ruger. The VZ is a military-grade rifle with a proven track record around the world. The civilian version is close enough to the original that the few downsides are easily rectified.

The Ruger is a less accurate, less reliable, and less durable version of the Mini-14...which is already a joke for everyone except Mr. T.

And if you find 58 mags expensive...

No, I would not even consider the Ruger. I have nothing against ruger as a company - my favourite revolver is a ruger, in fact. But pick a civilian rifle with a shoddy reputation over what is among the best of the combloc weapons? Christ no. They should not even be compared IMO.
 
The way I see it:

Caliber = same
Price = slight advantage CZ
Spare Mags Availability and Price = advantage CZ
Ease of Mounting Scope = advantage Mini
Weight = slight advantage CZ
Accessories = slight advantage CZ
Handling = advantage CZ ( subjective preference )
Ease of field stripping = advantage CZ
Accuracy = advantage CZ
Resale = advantage (Probably on CGN) CZ

I owned a Mini 14 which is the same rifle only in .223 and I currently own a CZ 858. I have shot a Mini 30 many times and my recommendation to the OP would be to go with the CZ.

Better deer rifle than either = Norc M14s :)
 
westwest said:
I have a cz 858 , it came with a sloppy trigger group and a gremlin free of charge. Calling owners of a cz858 "Wannabes" is an insult? Fact is most people who bought them bought them for looks because "it looks like an AK" sorta.

Not all people who bought a cz858 are happy with them.
Click to expand...

Do you have any proof of your "facts"?

While you did have problems with your CZ, it is very clear that you have a bias against them.

I am not a "wannabe" I purchased the CZ because it out performed the SKS by a wide margin. I found the CZ to be more accurate and easier to handle than the SKS. I did not choose this rifle based off it's looks, in fact I avoided it as long as I could for looking like an AK but not actually being one. Once I used the CZ I was hooked.

It is extremely easy to disassemble, requiring less time than my m14 and only slightly more than my P226.

The CZ has a number of points in its favor:

-Large number of the rifles in circulation... means it's easy to find a good deal on a used rifle.
-Lots of spare parts that don't break the bank
-Accurate
-Large Canadian made after market support for the CZ

Perhaps instead of labeling everyone else what you think they should feel, you could add your comments and leave it at that.

I personally would take another CZ over the mini30.
 
Tomochan said:
The way I see it:

Caliber = same
Price = slight advantage CZ
Spare Mags Availability and Price = advantage CZ
Ease of Mounting Scope = advantage Mini
Weight = slight advantage CZ
Accessories = slight advantage CZ
Handling = advantage CZ ( subjective preference )
Ease of field stripping = advantage CZ
Accuracy = advantage CZ
Resale = advantage (Probably on CGN) CZ

I owned a Mini 14 which is the same rifle only in .223 and I currently own a CZ 858. I have shot a Mini 30 many times and my recommendation to the OP would be to go with the CZ.

Better deer rifle than either = Norc M14s :)
Click to expand...

5 round Ruger mags are plentyfull everywhere for $30/each. The Ruger is much easier to scope, for hunting I would probably stick to it for that reason.
I have both.
 
NavyCuda said:
Do you have any proof of your "facts"?

While you did have problems with your CZ, it is very clear that you have a bias against them.

I am not a "wannabe" I purchased the CZ because it out performed the SKS by a wide margin. I found the CZ to be more accurate and easier to handle than the SKS. I did not choose this rifle based off it's looks, in fact I avoided it as long as I could for looking like an AK but not actually being one. Once I used the CZ I was hooked.

It is extremely easy to disassemble, requiring less time than my m14 and only slightly more than my P226.

The CZ has a number of points in its favor:

-Large number of the rifles in circulation... means it's easy to find a good deal on a used rifle.
-Lots of spare parts that don't break the bank
-Accurate
-Large Canadian made after market support for the CZ

Perhaps instead of labeling everyone else what you think they should feel, you could add your comments and leave it at that.

I personally would take another CZ over the mini30.
Click to expand...


OK forget the Wanabee stuff ;)

Facts?:confused: Didn't I just tell you I had the infamous gremlin and sloppy trigger problems? My bias comes from owning cz858. I paid good money for a rifle that has a potential safety hazard. This is unacceptable for any new firearm.
 
westwest said:
OK forget the Wanabee stuff ;)

Facts?:confused: Didn't I just tell you I had the infamous gremlin and sloppy trigger problems? My bias comes from owning cz858. I paid good money for a rifle that has a potential safety hazard. This is unacceptable for any new firearm.
Click to expand...

Did you return it to the dealer for a refund or to get it fixed?
 
Stevo said:
Did you return it to the dealer for a refund or to get it fixed?
Click to expand...

I doubt the dealer I bought it from would replace it .

I fixed the trigger group by adding a small spacer and welded a tab on the bolt carrier myself. The Rifle is now fixed but , $750 and all that hassle is not worth the price of the gun.

For the record my $200 norinco sks shoots better at 0 to 200 meters than my cz.
 
Stevo said:
So, no, you didn't try to get it remedied. You got a lemon, and because of that you feel the need to slag all 858's.

Nice.

There's plenty of POS SKSs out there, too.
Click to expand...

So the CZ858 Gremlin doesn't exist? Sloppy trigger slack doesn't exist? It does exist and it is fairly common. Hence why many dealers have a cz 858 parts kit for the gremlin and trigger group problems. Tabbing the bolt carrier is just a myth ?
 
westwest said:
Cz - 858 has problems out of the box , Trigger issues and the so called gremlin problem. Not worth the hassle for the price.

As for the 30 rounds mags? They are too long for certain shooting positions and you may think they look cool but who are you fooling with a 30 round mag pinned to five rounds Better to buy a five round mag, oh wait they are twice the price of the 30 round mags, DOH .
Click to expand...

Or you could buy a Ruger Mini-30 mag for what, $90?

Never had problems with shooting my CZ and 30 round mags from the prone, or any other positions for that matter.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom