CZ 858 Gremlin Trigger issue with the latest batch of CZ 858's from Wolverine.

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Some remedies are addressed in my vz58s and more thread. Pretty sloppy of CZ to still have this problem a decade later. Especially as the prices soared.
 
Dad003 said:
from my experience with my first cz858 , the gremlin would appear but never to me , ended up just to tab myself the bolt carrier , and the cz i got from wolverine during the sale was running perfectly when i tried it , it just a really little problem easy to fix , im pretty sure that somebody could take a 858 versus a csa vz58 and the cz858 will shoot more round before breaking after all it the great deal , most accesssory are made for the 858 and many need fitting for csa vz58
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good luck with that, my VZ58 is 10 times the rifles my 3 cz858's were, way better quality, no fit issues with parts, no gremlin and looks way better , dark black parkerization and bonus....no grey BBQ paint

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How about simply calling Wolverine Supplies and sending in rifle for warranty repair, and cut out all the drama?

John Hipwell is an outstanding dealer and I am sure he will address all the problems in an appropriate fashion.
 
icelink said:
The op statest this issue happened after 200 to 300 rounds.......so basically can this issue happen anytime even after 1000s of rounds? At any given time this can happen?
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Gaebz said:
200-300 rounds.. More like 200 after a second thought, not 300. If yours is safe after 1000 it should be safe forever because according to the few researches i have made, it seems like it happens fast. Some parts get loose or something due to normal use and adding a shim fixes the problem because it won't get more loose after that. So if you shot 1000 rounds, the issues should already be there?

So 1000 rounds means yours might be fine. I can't answer the question though, maybe some people with more experience with the CZ 858 will know.

From what I understood, it's like a disease you are born with. You either have it, or you don't and you won't. It's not something they develop randomly after 10,000 rounds. A few hundred rounds is what I read.
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I disagree. Years ago I used to have a CZ 858 and the gremlin all of a sudden developed after maybe 2000 rounds. Started off just maybe one shot out of 30, developed worse into every other shot. It can definitely happen to a CZ at any time.
 
mobusten said:
I disagree. Years ago I used to have a CZ 858 and the gremlin all of a sudden developed after maybe 2000 rounds. Started off just maybe one shot out of 30, developed worse into every other shot. It can definitely happen to a CZ at any time.
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Good info. I'll leave my new 858 unfired . If the gremlin may not show right away??
 
lanis said:
How about simply calling Wolverine Supplies and sending in rifle for warranty repair, and cut out all the drama?

John Hipwell is an outstanding dealer and I am sure he will address all the problems in an appropriate fashion.
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Drama? Go read my initial post, I am even saying it's not Wolverine's fault because they are simply the importer and retailer so they shouldn't have to pay for this. You're the one causing drama here. I am only exploring solutions and fixes that might not be where I already looked online.
 
The CSA bolt carriers are tabbed and will work great in a 858 , there was a guy on CGN some years back welding tabs on for people, i sent him my carriers and he did a great job . wonder if hes still on here , i forget his name?
 
Deckard said:
Some remedies are addressed in my vz58s and more thread. Pretty sloppy of CZ to still have this problem a decade later. Especially as the prices soared.
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100% correct. There is literally no excuse that I would accept. It's been a known problem for too long.
 
Deckard said:
That's the first time it's been suggested I don't know how a 58 works. Which is a separate issue from a company fixing a known problem.
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ok Decard. point proven.
im just saying, most of the time people dont research their firearm before complaining.
not pointing the finger at you obviously, or the OP. some of the posts seem questionable though.
 
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223762 said:
ok Decard. point proven.
im just saying, most of the time people dont research their firearm before complaining.
not pointing the finger at you obviously, or the OP. some of the posts seem questionable though.
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Questionable in what way?
Also people have a right to complain about buying a brand new product that has a defect that the manufacturer knows about and could easily remediate. Instead they send it out and then let people discover the problem and fix it on their own. That's ####ty if you ask me. Doesn't matter if you researched the problem and the fix before hand, it shouldn't be left up to the customer to fix a manufacturers defect.
 
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CSA knew there was a problem, so they tabbed the carrier.
CZ also knew there was a problem, they did NOTHING.
These are the facts, you can not argue about.
And don't give me the cz more accurate and more reliable BS, because I can not understand how your trigger could go dead on "reliable" rifle.
 
Anyone noticed how CZ prices have skyrocketed as well? Meanwhile customer requests for fixes and chrome lined barrels are turned into 'jokes'. It's really them saying FU, which is how the 958 ended.
 
mobusten said:
Questionable in what way?
Also people have a right to complain about buying a brand new product that has a defect that the manufacturer knows about and could easily remediate. Instead they send it out and then let people discover the problem and fix it on their own. That's ####ty if you ask me. Doesn't matter if you researched the problem and the fix before hand, it shouldn't be left up to the customer to fix a manufacturers defect.
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Bingo!
I believe John said he had held back a few rifles for warranty purposes...
 
Man a bunch of people were freaking out at me for stating these rifles had some issues, and for a thousand plus there's no way there quality is acceptable
 
I went to the hardware store and purchased these little washers. (See picture below) I went to 2 places and they had nothing that would be as small as the retaining pin.
For now, the trigger works but... You know.. Mechanical engineering can be a ##### and how about 1000 rounds later? Will this part really hold? Is it going to damage the retaining pin or the sear?
All these questions can't really be answered unless I go shoot 2000-3000 rounds.

I feel kinda betrayed and it sucks that a upgraded version of the AK47 that is supposed to be super reliable ends up being messed up and ''fixed'' with some odd washer that feels like it's gonna get loose or something after a while.
Right now, if SHTF tomorrow, I'd probably keep my SKS's because I have no idea if this gun would be reliable on the long term. But hopefully that's just me and someone with deep mechanical engineering skill here can tell me ''Don't worry this is gonna last probably forever''

From what I see, nothing seems to be moving against the washer so there shouldn't be wear on this area. Hopefully. (And those washers are obviously poorer quality than the CZ metal so in the worst case the washer won't last.. It would still be annoying.)

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