I am talking about serious shooting, not hitting a one foot gong at 200 yards, at 50 yards I want to be able to hit below MOA with a CZ 858, 100 yards should be 1 to 2 inch, 200 yards below 5 inch, all with surplus ammo, much better with reloading. Don't tell people that a red dot is perfect for 200 yards just because you have one.
If your idea of "serious shooting" is trying to make sub-moa groups with a tactical rifle in a short-range rainbow caliber like x39...
...well, it's no wonder you get labelled "troll".


















































