CZ 858 update

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stupid question on my part, does this affect the CSA VZ rifles too? Or just the CZ rifles. I was under the impression that they were different companies.
 
Mark Williams said:
It looks like the game is over now. No importer in their right mind would attempt fresh imports of CZ 858 or CSA type rifles at this stage. This is only the beginning.
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We don't even know why the CZ import was refused. Would you stfu...

Once the paperwork is public it will be easier to speculate. Right now you're just speaking out of your ass.
 
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wjcbsr said:
Now that's just typically Canadian. Lay back and take it up the arse Wolverine. Don't you have a good lawyer on retainer? Why wouldn't you fight this seizure instead of just rolling over? God knows you have plenty of our money from past CZ858 sales...
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You have no idea what you are talking about! After 8 months and approx $500,000.00 I made the business decision to stop importing the CZ 858 because the importation was blocked by CBSA. Appeal? Appeal what? CBSA told me I could import my last two shipments but only with an import Cert for them as prohibited firearms, that would force me to say they were prohibit. or I could apply to re-export. Normally I would have 90 days to proceed but after CBSA had dragged their feet for over 5 months they cut my time down to 45 days and I was advised if the shipments were still in Canada they would be destroyed and I would be liable to pay the cost of destruction. CBSA have not reclassified the CZ 858!

This is hardly laying back and taking it! I have received veiled threats of facing criminal charges, that would close me down. I work hard and play hard, I enjoy a good life style and at my age I have earned that the hard way. The thought of having my business closed down which would in effect destroy my life was not a pleasant one, I enjoy hunting in the African bush not rotting in a cell!!!
 
ridgearms said:
John,

If you can only file an appeal with a rifle in the country why not import just one and see if it happens again. That way you can challenge them and you don't have a lot of money into it.
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I have already considered that, I could do that. I could import with the purpose of sending it to the RCMP for examination and classification, the RCMP would be working for me so I would have the report. This would take 6 months to a year. I also have to balance this action against the best interests of the 8,000 owners in Canada, to me this is more that a question of making a quick buck!
 
Mark Williams said:
He can not challenge them without risking getting everything else worth having prohibited. In my view it's a risk worth taking, because if they get away with this they will just move on to the next evil looking rifle, and on and on till we are left with nothing but Fudd guns.

Sometimes it takes balls to do the right thing.
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From where I sit it is not so much a question of balls, which I am not lacking!, but much more a question of doing what is best for the whole firearms community.
 
smartbomb said:
This should be considered the line in the sand for all Canadian gun owners. The dialogue here shouldn't be what gun they're going to ban next... it should be, "what can and should be done"? This is a big deal, and should not be tolerated by any of us.
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Nothing has been banned, an importation has been blocked! Think of this as a huge "Chess game".
 
I'm sure you've got much good legal advice and many good opinions as well as all our interest in your success.

Is this something that a group of merchants/associations/lawyers should band together on? It seems that we're going to see more of these "technical" tactics used against individuals and individual merchants - maybe a group effort would help to share the costs/experiences/best practices and form a useful common response?
 
Mr Wolverine said:
I have already considered that, I could do that. I could import with the purpose of sending it to the RCMP for examination and classification, the RCMP would be working for me so I would have the report. This would take 6 months to a year. I also have to balance this action against the best interests of the 8,000 owners in Canada, to me this is more that a question of making a quick buck!
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This shows a lot more care and forsight than was displayed in recent events effecting the status of another popular rifle.
 
Arloashean said:
I'm sure you've got much good legal advice and many good opinions as well as all our interest in your success.

Is this something that a group of merchants/associations/lawyers should band together on? It seems that we're going to see more of these "technical" tactics used against individuals and individual merchants - maybe a group effort would help to share the costs/experiences/best practices and form a useful common response?
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Sadly Canadian gun owners and dealers can not pull together, we have no single united voice. There are many amongst us who would write off black guns in order to look after their personal interests. We have seen part time "Dealers" sink other gun classes in an ignorant attempt to save their own pet project. We need a strong united voice but I am not optimistic we will ever see one.
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Sadly Canadian gun owners and dealers can not pull together, we have no single united voice. There are many amongst us who would write off black guns in order to look after their personal interests. We have seen part time "Dealers" sink other gun classes in an ignorant attempt to save their own pet project. We need a strong united voice but I am not optimistic we will ever see one.
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Basically, what you're saying we need is a gun toting messiah?

The NFA/CSSA could make that happen...
 
Mr Wolverine said:
Sadly Canadian gun owners and dealers can not pull together, we have no single united voice. There are many amongst us who would write off black guns in order to look after their personal interests. We have seen part time "Dealers" sink other gun classes in an ignorant attempt to save their own pet project. We need a strong united voice but I am not optimistic we will ever see one.
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So true John, and that is exactly what killed us the first go round and is the major reason why all these laws we have today exist. Too many people were willing to throw others under the bus simply because "I don't shoot that type so it won't effect me".
 
From where I sit it is not so much a question of balls, which I am not lacking!, but much more a question of doing what is best for the whole firearms community.
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John and I have had a few "chess moves" between us and probably pissed each other off pretty good, but I can certainly say that I have a huge amount of respect for John, his business and what he does for this community.

He will fight and has fought for Canadian firearm owners and do what is in the best interest of the community. If there is something he can do, he will do it.
 
Corps said:
Basically, what you're saying we need is a gun toting messiah?

The NFA/CSSA could make that happen...
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For five years I was a Director with the CSSA for ten years I was a Provincial President of the NFA so I have some inside experience with these organisations. My comments are not directed at any one personally but these organisation lack strong direction and leadership, there are always petty power struggles and back stabbing, there is no clear agenda! Yes I have to agree with you a gun toting Messiah would be very welcome right now.
 
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