Just wondering if someone out there has done an accuracy comparison between the 19" CZ 858 and the Tavor and what the results were? Has anyone done this with a few rifles? Differences in ammo used, iron sighted vs red dots etc...
CZ 858 Vs Tavor - Accuracy Comparison
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Funny I found the opposite of this. But my .223 Vz58 has been something of a lemon...
Ive seen some good shooting out of my Tavor and some meh not too bad, You have to remember both were designed as battle rifles to hit a soldier in the chest so if your looking for dime sized grouping at range it is not what they were designed to do. Some are capable of doing this but rarely do battlefields have shooting benches to hold your gun for you while you shoot at the enemy 
Here is a grouping from my Tavor with a AR-536 5x tactical sight shooting off a table from a bipod from like 50 yards maybe. Not really the use it was designed for tho, Shooting steel targets 25 or 50 yards away while running threw an obstacle course is more what these types or rifles were built to do
Here is a grouping from my Tavor with a AR-536 5x tactical sight shooting off a table from a bipod from like 50 yards maybe. Not really the use it was designed for tho, Shooting steel targets 25 or 50 yards away while running threw an obstacle course is more what these types or rifles were built to do
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I find the reports from these guns are like anything in their field... Not designed for amazing accuracy but sometimes things come together with the right parts having the right area of tolerances and some are accurate... Could happen with a Tavor or 858.
The opposite could also happen. Both are not purposely very accurate so you will have a range depending on the rifle.
The opposite could also happen. Both are not purposely very accurate so you will have a range depending on the rifle.
Normally tho with my 5x sight and 100 yards these are more like the groups I shoot but I am not a great shooter either, With a better scope off a bench shooting handloads I have no doubt a good shooter could go moa using a Tavor again its not really what it is for. Now if you were having to fight off a zombie horde now your getting closer to what these guns were made to do
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I garuntee a tavor that got the lucky end of the stick could. Like I said you're going to have a varying range of performance. Not every tavor could. But I'm sure some can.
I sent an email to Ian at Herron asking about putting a match grade barrel on a Tavor he said he hasn't done it yet but would love a chance to do one and see if he could increase its pew pew. I've heard he did some great work on ACRs and XCRs so why not a Tavor ? Like I said its not a bench shooter rifle but shooting from a bipod using handloads i've gotten 2" groups regularly. Those pics were shooting tulammo 62 gr and american eagle 55 gr which has given me a wide range of grouping but all within what would center punch a soldiers chest in battle
so I waited a bit to give the floor to tvpp
I own both a CZ858 (just recently back from canmore) and of course a Tavor.
Heres my take on the two guns, which are actually my 2 favorite guns even though they are both afflicted by ugly duckling disease.
CZ858
While inherently accurate to about 3 moa on a good day, I find its the one gun out of all my rifles that I CAN actually shoot 4 MOA with offhand! Which for me makes it the rifle that I shoot the best with offhand unsupported while at the same time proves to be the worst shooter while benched and sandbagged. Yes, offhand, I even shoot it better than all my AR15s. The lack on 10 or 15 round mags makes it a bit annoying. I drilled and tapped the side to put a mountable scope, but really it didnt do much of any good. The 3.5 moa rmr is perfect for the rifle.
Tavor:
The Tavor is quite an animal, actually more resilliant and reliable than the cz858 due to the absence of the gremlin, I did however have to modify my mags so that they dont ride the bolt. The trigger is quite horrendous, lets face it, the cz858 is much better. While concentrating and focussing on my fundamentals I was able to bring the Tav to 1.5 moa repeatable groups ON A COLD BARREL with hornady vmax ammo. My best group ever was 1.3 moa, but not repeatable constantly. Offhand unsupported shooting though it is the rifle that I shoot the worse about 8 - 10 moa. 10 or 15 round mags need to be loaded with 1 less to insert on a closed bolt.
Conclusion
Now we are comparing two very different rifles in a different calibre, so with that in play it has become very subjective, but I actually prefermy CZ858 over my tavor.
Money: With the fab defense and rmr the cz858 is at 1600$, the Tavor with the elcan is at 4500$
I own both a CZ858 (just recently back from canmore) and of course a Tavor.
Heres my take on the two guns, which are actually my 2 favorite guns even though they are both afflicted by ugly duckling disease.
CZ858
While inherently accurate to about 3 moa on a good day, I find its the one gun out of all my rifles that I CAN actually shoot 4 MOA with offhand! Which for me makes it the rifle that I shoot the best with offhand unsupported while at the same time proves to be the worst shooter while benched and sandbagged. Yes, offhand, I even shoot it better than all my AR15s. The lack on 10 or 15 round mags makes it a bit annoying. I drilled and tapped the side to put a mountable scope, but really it didnt do much of any good. The 3.5 moa rmr is perfect for the rifle.
Tavor:
The Tavor is quite an animal, actually more resilliant and reliable than the cz858 due to the absence of the gremlin, I did however have to modify my mags so that they dont ride the bolt. The trigger is quite horrendous, lets face it, the cz858 is much better. While concentrating and focussing on my fundamentals I was able to bring the Tav to 1.5 moa repeatable groups ON A COLD BARREL with hornady vmax ammo. My best group ever was 1.3 moa, but not repeatable constantly. Offhand unsupported shooting though it is the rifle that I shoot the worse about 8 - 10 moa. 10 or 15 round mags need to be loaded with 1 less to insert on a closed bolt.
Conclusion
Now we are comparing two very different rifles in a different calibre, so with that in play it has become very subjective, but I actually prefermy CZ858 over my tavor.
Money: With the fab defense and rmr the cz858 is at 1600$, the Tavor with the elcan is at 4500$
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Also have to remember that these are both inherently battles rifles. The vz 58 is stemmed from its military ancestor thus therefore designed to be reliable. In combat sub moa accuracy is not as important as full function and reliability is. The tavor is obviously newer aged and has better materials and better tolerances, thus allowing for better accuracy on the whole. Having said all that, again it was designed for reliability in a desert combat theatre and was more designed for functioning while dirty and gummed up. Can't have amazing accuracy and superb reliability at the same time. It was also designed for cqb and manoeuvrability in the streets on israel. The vz 58 or C 858 is based on a design before the cold war and for mass production at a lower cost. So trying to worry about amazing accuracy in combat vs will it shoot when dirty or at hot temperatures. In combat when stresses are very high and most soldiers are shooting, as log as they hit their targets with reasonable accuracy is mainly all they care about. Of course you can make these guns have amazing accuracy with after market upgrades, but that's not what they were designed for.
My 2 cents.
Ps. I have both rifles.
My 2 cents.
Ps. I have both rifles.
I think us canadians are all afflicted with the sub moa disease. you go down south and they consider a 4 moa rifle acceptable accurate and a 2 moa rifle exceptionally accurate.
I dont know why we're seeking so much precision from our semis, but even I am afflicted with that disease, it is clearly a canadian thing.
I dont know why we're seeking so much precision from our semis, but even I am afflicted with that disease, it is clearly a canadian thing.
The are great minute of metal plate at the range... They both put bad guys in the ground... I also have a CZ858 from Mike in Canmore on the way. I will put some glow in the dark fluorescent green paint on the front post and call it a day.
I have other rifles at my disposal for when I want to print groups, But I find that very boring ( yes even with my new Cadex ). For one i'm a horrible shot, and two I like the sound of steel better because of the first reason.
I have other rifles at my disposal for when I want to print groups, But I find that very boring ( yes even with my new Cadex ). For one i'm a horrible shot, and two I like the sound of steel better because of the first reason.
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While I am not afflicted by the aforementioned "sub moa semi" disease, I can appreciate an accurate *and* reliable semi. It is nice to know when you miss, if it was you not doing your part, or the rifle, or maybe niether. I love my NR ACR, my Tav, and my Vz-58 in x39 all for different reasons, but if I had to pick a clear winner I would have to deliberate between the ACR and the Tav for a VERY long time.
Im in the same boat with my Tavor and vz 58. I love shooting them both, especially now with how my vz is setup. If I had to choose for a shtf scenario, the tavor would be the one that is coming. Having said that, both would be going because my gf is interested in that stuff too so, if a SHTF scenario happened, the Both guns would be coming. Except I wouldnt be using the tavor. She would. She has stood her ground. I have no say. I just want to get laid.
Yep girls love the Tavor, my wife has filled the general appropriation form (said she wants it) and has been approved by the reallocation committee (her) to now be the owner of the Tavor and all related accessories.
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As previously stated, both of these rifles and many more, were not designed for sub-moa.
They were designed to hit a people sized target out to about 300 yards. So for me if I can pull the trigger, things go boom and sh#t flies out the end to hit the target I am happy.
Don't need to hit the guy in the eye 3 times just hit the "people" sized target.
They were designed to hit a people sized target out to about 300 yards. So for me if I can pull the trigger, things go boom and sh#t flies out the end to hit the target I am happy.
Don't need to hit the guy in the eye 3 times just hit the "people" sized target.
Seconded LOL!
