CZ 858 Vs Tavor - Accuracy Comparison

[lawn gnome]

I have Tavors, CZ858s and a CSA in 5.56.
The Tavors and CZ858 are what they are.
I would not quite say Minute of Angel, perhaps MOF, Minute of Figure 11 would be a better description.

Mike, I was surprised by your off hand shooting differences.
I usually shoot off a bench, will have to try to see.

The nature of the 5.56 vs 7.62 gives favour to the Tavor.
Of course the CSA 5.56 does that a touch better than the CZs too.

Mike in Canmore must be feeling lonely and empty handed of late.

 

[mikethebike]

I guess I haven't learned just quite how to shoot the Tavor offhand well.

 

[Ravage]

I guess I haven't learned just quite how to shoot the Tavor offhand well.

How are you holding it like an AR ? or have you tried the Israeli way of holding it ? I have never shot an AR my Tavor is my first and only black rifle so I have no shooting habits from other guns. When I hold my Tavor it feels like its just part of my arm I really enjoy shooting it

 

[beltfed]

I am not seeing where the OP asked about either rifle being capable of MOA groupings. He/she simply asked if anybody had done a comparison on accuracy between them.

It is a common coping mechanism, as is stating it is built for combat.
When guys talk about their rifles being 'just over moa' or 1.5 moa repeatably, what they really mean is it is minute of pie plate at 100m.
Not there is anything wrong with that.

To bring this back down from the clouds, I have had both the Tavor and a vz58.
The VZ would print milsurp ammo into around 8-12" for 10 rounds at 100m- I kept it for CQB and fun plinking days at the range before selling it in a moment of weakness.
The Tavor was about a 4-6 moa rifle with quality handloading and GP90 for 10 rounds at 100m
I had high hopes for it as a service rifle but never looked at it as a serious contender as it was minute of 4'x4' screen at 500m.

 

[84wh1]

I actually find the tavor pretty accurate for what it is. I can tag a steel plate at 350 yards without issue. Off hand I'm able to swing an HRT plate at 130 yards. If people are hoping to get target rifle accuracy from a combat derived platform, they need to look else where for sure!

 

[twyeh]

In my experience, The VZ58 holds a +-4 MOA at best with surplus, groups spread out pretty fast with heat. The Tavor holds +-2 MOA at best with AE223, with vertical stringing when heated up.

 

[jethunter]

If were going to compare like to like then we should be shooting decent ammo in both to get a real comparison. The accuracy qualities of surplus 7.62x39 ammo don't make a basis for comparison with the "usually" better quality found in 5.56 ammo.

Using surplus 7.62x39 ammo I can squeeze 4 MOA out of a 1 MOA bolt gun. If I didn't know better I'd think it was the rifle. If you use junk ammo then you get junk accuracy. Duh.

 

[ShawnC6]

If were going to compare like to like then we should be shooting decent ammo in both to get a real comparison. The accuracy qualities of surplus 7.62x39 ammo don't make a basis for comparison with the "usually" better quality found in 5.56 ammo.

Using surplus 7.62x39 ammo I can squeeze 4 MOA out of a 1 MOA bolt gun. If I didn't know better I'd think it was the rifle. If you use junk ammo then you get junk accuracy. Duh.

I actually get much better accuracy out of norinco 7.62x39 than I do from hornady ballistic tip 7.62x39 in my sks-d. Norinco gun likes Norinco ammo I guess. *shrug*

 

[jethunter]

I actually get much better accuracy out of norinco 7.62x39 than I do from hornady ballistic tip 7.62x39 in my sks-d. Norinco gun likes Norinco ammo I guess. *shrug*

I have also found new Norinco ammo is more accurate than most of the crated Russian surplus stuff. But decent quality bullets in decent quality hand loads blow the Norincos away. The Norinco bullets have some variance in weight, but the powder charges are surprisingly uniform in the ones I tore down.

 

[beltfed]

If were going to compare like to like then we should be shooting decent ammo in both to get a real comparison. The accuracy qualities of surplus 7.62x39 ammo don't make a basis for comparison with the "usually" better quality found in 5.56 ammo.

Using surplus 7.62x39 ammo I can squeeze 4 MOA out of a 1 MOA bolt gun. If I didn't know better I'd think it was the rifle. If you use junk ammo then you get junk accuracy. Duh.

That is a fair point. 'Ganderite' did a review of the common milsurp ammo found in Canada - good info for all who use the stuff.

It makes sense to compare apples to apples, but sometimes it makes sense to compare what one would use as commonly available.
If for example a Tavor prints into 2" with Federal Gold Medal with 3 or 5 rounds, but you never use it due to cost and availability, and you know as you fire more rounds into that group it spreads out, it is kind of disingenuous to call it what it isn't.

 

[One Lung Wonder]

Well for my two bits, I sat down and spent a lot of time with the Tavor. I got anal about it too: top notch optics, sandbagged shooting off a concrete bench, meticulous handloads, etc etc. Under optimum conditions for accuracy the Tavor can approach MOA. I had one or two loads that seemed to dance on the edge of that 1 MOA...a few around 1.3 or so...with most going 1.8~2.0 or greater. Of course, all that goes into the crapper the minute you add real-world variables like barrel heat, rudimentary combat optics, etc.

I can't shoot the Tavor. It was one of the most infuriating guns I ever owned. I had lots of days were I could shoot it offhand and on par with a heavy barrelled AR15. Other days I couldn't hit squat with it and I'll be damned if I could isolate the source of the inconsistencies. I did the Timney trigger and it helped a bit but offhand I just couldn't seem shoot it worth a hill of beans.

That's just me...YMMV. I've never been tempted by the VZ's though...so I can't speculate on them.

 

[Hokus Grey]

Im in the same boat with my Tavor and vz 58. I love shooting them both, especially now with how my vz is setup. If I had to choose for a shtf scenario, the tavor would be the one that is coming. Having said that, both would be going because my gf is interested in that stuff too so, if a SHTF scenario happened, the Both guns would be coming. Except I wouldnt be using the tavor. She would. She has stood her ground. I have no say. I just want to get laid.

This is the only guy in this thread with his priorities unf*cked.

Seriously.

 

[GunsNotPuns]

I think us canadians are all afflicted with the sub moa disease. you go down south and they consider a 4 moa rifle acceptable accurate and a 2 moa rifle exceptionally accurate.
I dont know why we're seeking so much precision from our semis, but even I am afflicted with that disease, it is clearly a canadian thing.

Preach it brother. I used to go insane at the notion that I was doing on average about 3 MOA with my Vz.58. Now I accept two things:

1. Rifles, particularly mass produced military rifles, of a certain era are generally about 3 MOA. Live with it. If you want MOA or sub-, buy a precision rifle.

2. See number 1.