cz 858/vz 58, quickest loading?

TDC said:
Enough time to lose the match or your life depending on the role. Oddly, magazine fed firearms dominate the MIL and LE environment over stripper clip and loose ammo fed firearms.

TDC
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No s**t sherlock.
I just found it interesting that the video posters times were no that much slower and I have a feeling he practices more with the mags then the stripper clips. His mag changes were quite fast and it almost looks like he's good at it!:rolleyes:

I think the Mil and LE also prefer non neutered mags for some reason..:jerkit:
 
Exoce† said:
Had a few minutes tonight, so I made a short video.
Reloads from the mag and with stripper-clips. I'm at least 50% faster with the straight mag change. YMMV.

Have a look.

[YOUTUBE]RfpwanqIBMM[/YOUTUBE]
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Nice video. But whats with the beard? you have not recently changed your name to mohammed have you?

I was shown the way at 48 seconds on this clip - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fouesdpTBXo
 
misanthropist said:
I dropped a Dlask extended mag release in to mine...I grab the fresh mag beer-can-style, bring it up and nail the mag release with my thumb while hitting the body of the empty with my fingers, it drops out and I stuff the new mag in.

That is the fastest method I know of. The extended release is not NECESSARY but it does make me faster because the big paddle is just a little easier to hit at speed.
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Here, this is a video of the method I am using:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6ERpMWq13M
 
Can-down said:
I think the Mil and LE also prefer non neutered mags for some reason..:jerkit:
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Having a bunch of 1lb hunks of metal, each with 2 ounces of actual ammunition, was my inspiration for starting this thread. If I could pop 30 rounds in at a go, there'd be no doubt the quickest way. I think for a competetion, I'd load my 4 mags, then just use strippers preloaded with 5 rounds from there. I really don't see a bunch more mags being worth the expense. I just wish there were a quieter way to practice reloading mags, can only practice it when the wife is out and the daughter is asleep. If my life won't be saved by 20 rounds from 4 magazines, the extra couple seconds to load from a clip isn't gonna make that big a difference. Thankfully, in my world, extended 2 way firefights, just don't tend to happen with much regularity.

After watching Exocet's video again, the biggest difference I see, is the fine motor skills and concentration with the strippers. Looks like it'd be a lot easier to fudge up using the stripper over the mags. Doesn't seem to take noticeably longer time, but if you mess up, clearing a jam or double feed, will take much longer. Given the five Smoked Sausages I have on the ends of my hands for fingers, dexterity, is not always a sure bet. YMMV
 
Well, I'm in no position to argue with him...but although I think it could be faster (in fact after watching my own video and comparing each method for a while I am sure of it) to run the bolt from underneath I am so far not sold on pulling the rifle off your shoulder.

I would be all ears if someone could explain the advantage to me. But I am finding that I don't spend any less time with my eyes off the downrange area when I unmount the rifle than when I stay mounted? I thought that was supposed to be the advantage. Maybe if I spent more time with this technique I would find that?
 
Rifle handling techniques have come a long way in the last few years with a lot of differing/conflicting professional opinions on how to do many different specific drills or parts thereof. Keep in mind that professionals are the culmination of their training and that training is often the result of many factors that don't include the specific rifle platform they are using. In the end its what works best for you that matters. If you can, draw on as many resources as you can and try different things out. Keep in mind some arms, hands shoulders etc are different shapes and sizes.

All that said taking the rifle out of the shoulder to handle stoppages is IMHO the best option because it allows you to retain better control of the rifle and yourself. Although I'm sure you could train yourself to be proficient, keeping the rifle shouldered while doing IAs is difficult and if you start to fumble you waste a lot of valuable time and break your concentration.

My opinion on mag changes is this. When under fire/competition mag retention is a waste of time, win the firefight and consolidate your mags later. In dire times wasting invaluable seconds on anything is just stupid. If you find yourself in a lul then an admin change where you retain the empty/partial mag is a good idea.
 
Rauch Tactical said:
My opinion on mag changes is this. When under fire/competition mag retention is a waste of time, win the firefight and consolidate your mags later. In dire times wasting invaluable seconds on anything is just stupid. If you find yourself in a lul then an admin change where you retain the empty/partial mag is a good idea.
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Bingo. When you are seriously in need of more ammo, it should be first priority to get the gun into the fight. Anything after that can follow. If you ask me thats a major training scar which has some lethal consequences. You can pick up your empties later. There is nothing I hate more than seeing troops (sorry my expierience is military) stop and shove empties back in their pouches when there is still an active target. Something to think about
 
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