CZ 958 Teaser Part 4 (NO THEY DON'T HAVE CHROME LINED BARRELS)

I'm in for a tactical! Take my damn money or I'll be forced to buy the wife a birthday present with it!
 
Should i put off buying a Vz58 and wait for this to be available? Would we look at under 6 months until it's approved and available for purchase/pre-order? Thank you
 
CyprusTM said:
Should i put off buying a Vz58 and wait for this to be available? Would we look at under 6 months until it's approved and available for purchase/pre-order? Thank you
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i think you dream too much might be 6 year .... just look at the aero i think the first to ask was like 3-4 year ago and they got them just a few week ago
 
I'm in the same boat, would like to buy a vz 58, am willing to wait for a 958, but not ANOTHER 6 months!!!!!
 
Well you made up my mind. Ill just buy the vz than once the cz comes out ill get one as well. Cheers :)
 
I wonder how much engineering thoughts and testing has been put in this model. Cz858 is a military gun. Usually it takes few years and many thousands if not millions of rounds spent on polygon, few iterations of finding problems and fixing them before going to mass production. Therefore every military grade gun is a perfect result of research and development.
What can you tell about this new gun? They think swapping one part for another does not affect its functionality? How much testing was done?
Csa recently had a good lesson: somehow their small arms "engineers" (if ever have any) thought snapping in a longer barrel into the same receiver to meet Canadian damn laws will make same rifle but with longer barrel? How much they knew about the guns, if they missed the the simple thing: longer barrel - more gasses pushing the piston - more recoil for which the parts were not designed - hence broken bolts and firing pins on earlier models of vz58 Until they have redesigned gas port.

in most cases when you change/redesign the part of perfectly designed mechanism its functionality is affected not in a good way. Unless adding some gimmicks which do not do any good nor bad.
With this cz958 First problem is obvious: field strip would require unscrewing four screws. Takes awhile. How many other guns have same field stripping procedure? After many times the treads will be worn or damaged due to possibly improper tightening. Not many people have a feeling of proper torque or may be they need to carry torque wrench? No fool proof mechanism implemented. Will the top part return to the same position to hold zero of the scope mounted on it? Let's hope you don't need to remove scope itself to remove those screws.
Not sure if this gun meets common standards of gun engineering. I wish to be wrong on this, Time will tell.
 
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serg777 said:
I wonder how much engineering thoughts and testing has been put in this model. Cz858 is a military gun. Usually it takes few years and many thousands if not millions of rounds spent on polygon, few iterations of finding problems and fixing them before going to massume production. Therefore every military grade gun is a perfect result of research and development.
What can you tell about this new gun? They think swapping one part for another does not affect its functionality? How much testing was done?
Csa recently had a good lesson: somehow their small arms "engineers" (if ever have any) thought snapping in a longer barrel into the same receiver to meet Canadian damn laws will make same rifle but with longer barrel? How much they knew about the guns, if they missed the the simple thing: longer barrel - more gasses pushing the piston - more recoil for which the parts were not designed - hence broken bolts and firing pins on earlier models of vz58 Until they have redesigned gas port.

in most cases when you change/redesign the part of perfectly designed mechanism its functionality is affected not in a good way. Unless adding some gimmicks which do not do any good nor bad.
With this cz958 First problem is obvious: field strip would require unscrewing four screws. Takes awhile. How many other guns have same field stripping procedure? After many times the treads will be worn or damaged due to possibly improper tightening. Not many people have a feeling of proper torque or may be they need to carry torque wrench? No fool proof mechanism implemented. Will the top part return to the same position to hold zero of the scope mounted on it? Let's hope you don't need to remove scope itself to remove those screws.
Not sure if this gun meets common standards of gun engineering. I wish to be wrong on this, Time will tell.
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Ok, what?

18.5" barrels have been pressed into Vz58 recivers for over a decade now. CZ was the first to do this with the 858 and I'm sure they haven't forgoten the formula (smaller gas port and smaller diameter piston) for the 958. As for CSA, the problems with those guns were due to production errors. '11, '12, and '14 dated rifles have had zero over gas issues. Only '13 rifles had problems.

Word around the campfire is CSA did some design changes in with the bolt and breech block in 2013 to reduce the amount of milling and speed up production. The weight of these parts were reduced and requiring less gas pressure to cycle the action, but they didn't adjust the gas system to compensate causing broken breech blocks.
 
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Ok, what?

18.5" barrels have been pressed into Vz58 recivers for over a decade now. CZ was the first to do this with the 858 and I'm sure they haven't forgoten the formula (smaller gas port and smaller diameter piston) for the 958. As for CSA, the problems with those guns were due to production errors. '11, '12, and '14 dated rifles have had zero over gas issues. Only '13 rifles had problems.

Word around the campfire is CSA did some design changes in with the bolt and breech block in 2013 to reduce the amount of milling and speed up production. The weight of these parts were reduced and requiring less gas pressure to cycle the action, but they didn't adjust the gas system to compensate causing broken breech blocks.
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Whatever. With vz58 2013 they attempted to fiddle with construction without noticing obvious overgas clues. That suggested they did not care to shoot at least few hundred rounds to test it properly. So QA has passed it for mass production.
Oh, and wasn't it a gremlin issue with Cz858 after they converted it to semiautomatic? Seems like every time they do some "improvisations" with this rifle it initially blows up somewhere.
So same story could be with cz958. What if one has undertighten those little screws? The whole thing with that massive scope on the top would move a tiny bit back-and-forth due to recoil, screws would wiggle as well. After shooting n number of rounds before one eventualy would notice a problem the holes and screws would get damaged. Could it be real scenario? Overtightening screws is another scenario of imediate damage. How this rifle is designed against this possibility. Im just guessing based on description of the design, did not handle the gun myself, so may be this possibility is addressed somehow

Im not against this new model. I just would suggest to hold off for a year or so from buying it untill they fix all possible problems reported by its early adopters.
 
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I believe North Sylva is still thinking about ordering some CSA made VZ58s in .308 but they are looking for significant interest before that would happen. They would also be more expensive than normal VZ58s because CSA would need to recoup the loss on the new tooling.
 
Cant wait to see this rifle on sale !!!

And no need for chrome bore, i know how to clean a rifle and not too lazy to do it ;)
 
How big will the first shipment expected to be?
Is there good chances lot's of people waiting on this will have their hands on it, or will the first shipment be limited and only the close followers will put their hands on one?
 
Im sure this has been answered in one of the 24 pages, but will the handguard, grip and stock be interchangeable with the vz58? Logic would dictate that yes, but i wanna make sure
 
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