CZ for funsies, heading towards ipsc.

I experimented with the Glock 34 for IPSC, and it took no time for me personally to decide to stick with the Shadow. Shoot 9mm and don't worry about major power factors until you are more experienced, plus practice means shooting a ton and cheaper ammo means more shooting on a budget, it may only be a few dollars per box but when you keep track of cases instead of boxes it makes a big difference.

The Shadow is more manageable than the GLock, suits dry fire practice better, has more weight and heft to it, etc. The Shadow is pretty tough to beat for production shooters of any skill level.
 
owlowl said:
I fully agree with you on all your points. But.

A very inspired shooter might some day archive Angus Hobdell level. Might. But that was not a factory cz gun and it has to be noted, so people wont expect the same from the hardware they buy.
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The constant is both guns go bang with well deserved reputations they go bang each and every time. For the purposes of USPSA/IPSC/IDPA Olympic type accuracy is really not necessary. While the well doctored gun Angus might have been using may be marginally more accurate than a stock Shadow the difference would be insignificant for scoring in the match, for most.

What you really are saying is all the marketing hype for upstream pistols valid for most shooters and should the adverted features have a bearing on the pistol you buy. Of course it does. We all have a bit of Vogel or Hobdell in us. Do most of the features have much impact on the majority of shooters no matter how much they think they have improved. Some say "Oh Yea" while others smile and say "not so fast".

You decide, there are a lot of quality guns out there. CZ's are one of my favourite platforms some I am a bit bias. That said for the sport I play the light polymer guns such as the Glock and M&P tend to be a better option than the heavier CZ steel pistols. Certainly the top shooters who are winning in the sport I shoot seem to share my opinion or I theirs, which is more likely the case. What wins on Sunday sells on Monday to coin an old auto industry saying.

As others have mentioned the Glock 34 are not legal for IPSC Production so no sense in following the little Glock road. I think someone in IPSC thinks the Glock 34 is a "Competition" gun while the Shadow2 isn't.

Take Care

Bob
 
Clearly the "moral" of my story was lost. OK, sure. Angus is shooting a highly massaged gun. But how much do you think shooting a new out of the box stock gun would slow him down? Certainly not by enough for any of us regular schmoes to notice. As Bob said above "it's the archer, not the arrow" and that was the point I was trying to get across.

You're also going to need to feed a lot of ammo through whatever gun you buy as part of your practicing to get your skills up to speed and keep them there at whatever level you aspire to reaching. And when you look at the cost of that much ammo the cost of buying a CZ or other better respected name gun will soon be forgotten. But you'll have a gun which you can find good quality parts and accessories for compared to some "Geo Metro" gun. Hell, my Shadow was my FIRST handgun. And I think it was within the first three or four months of owning it that I'd already shot more in ammo cost than what the gun cost.

You don't need to go hyper expensive. But it's still wise to stick with one of the more major names and just pick an affordable model from one of those lineups.
 
CZ is a fine pistol. Better than many if not the most.

Shooter skill is 90% of the result, no argument.

Stock shadow or plain 75 you pick up in a store for $1k or less is not the same as that custom gun, I'm sorry, but its not. As for the marketing hype. Well in my books marketing hype is to have a "factory" or "brand" team in an action sport, where a SA only, straight trigger, barrel bushing, all different springs, hammers and modified action is passed under the name of the factory offering "you can pick up in fine guns stores everywhere".
 
Moparman1303 said:
That sucks. So just gotta let it get beat up.
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IPSC Appendix D4 - 16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably
required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited
modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on
magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes, stippling or
other embellishments.
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If it's finished in the same colour and sheen to restore it to a factory like condition who's going to notice or care? It also fits in with the intent of this rule as a repair or restoration as opposed to a change. The rules about altering the finish to the guns are related to trying to gain some sort of advantage in faster sight pictures and the like by adding lines or other color changes. But restoring/copying a factory finish isn't an issue. Otherwise someone with a re-blued gun couldn't use it either. And that would simply be nonsense.
 
BCRider said:
If it's finished in the same colour and sheen to restore it to a factory like condition who's going to notice or care? It also fits in with the intent of this rule as a repair or restoration as opposed to a change. The rules about altering the finish to the guns are related to trying to gain some sort of advantage in faster sight pictures and the like by adding lines or other color changes. But restoring/copying a factory finish isn't an issue. Otherwise someone with a re-blued gun couldn't use it either. And that would simply be nonsense.
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yup nonsense, but the rule is, refinishing can only be done by the factory. Most certainly people wouldn't notice if you had it restored to factory like conditions, but if you told anyone you couldn't use the gun in Production.
 
Told ya. If you kept it your little secret you would be cheating. Nobody wants to be a cheater.

You should see my Tanfoglio "L" Model. I like to think of the rub marks on the finish as part of the ageing process. Kinda like my back. The only way it gets fixed if the back goes back to the factory and I have no plans to do so any time soon.

Bob
 
I didn't read through all the posts as there are a lot of them. The first thing that you have to ask yourself is which division you want to shoot in. If it is 'Production' division, then most definately go for the either the SP-01 shadow or shadow 2. I seen some people mention shadowline. Make sure that the shadowline is an SP-01 variant and not the regular 75. The SP-01 has the full frame which assists in the low recoil of this fantastik gun.
If you are looking at getting into 'standard' division, then you would want to go with the TS model in 40 S&W. Most would opt for the 'production' division as with 9mm, the brass is cheap/free, and IMO it is much more fun to shoot. Either way, you cannot go wrong with a CZ, I have four of them and they are keepers :).
 
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