CZ Handguns

Some companies just don't like shipping to Canada it doesn't matter what it is. The parts I bought are no different than the parts that CZ CUSTOM sells and they ship to Canada just not barrels. mags, uppers and any kind of ammo component.
 
My first pistol ever is a CZ 75B. I bought it for the history and craftsmanship. I wanted a wonder-nine, to employ the old term. So far I've been really pleased and I want to keep it for the long haul. I'm reading on the P10C, but still have a weak spot for the P-09.
My next 9mm purchase will be a head scratcher!
Beretta, Sig, CZ....I find the S&W M&P 2.0 neat and cheap, but I always think CZ...
 
RangerPark said:
So I recently started appreciating CZ as a brand. It started with a 455 Supermatch, then a 557 Range, and just this week a 527 Carbine in .223". I really love every one of those rifles and I've been slowly replacing other rifles of the same caliber. But this isn't what this thread is about.

As for handguns, I have had my eyes on the CZ 85 Shadow 2 for quite a while, but never brought myself to close a deal on one. Recently, Tenda had a sale on the CZ 75 SP-01 Phantom so I went with one of those. I'm partial to duty pistols myself, I prefer hammer fired pistols and have no use for a safety on a handgun. I've been really happy with the Phantom so far. Absolutely flawless in sub zero temperatures, not a single hiccup through the first 300 rounds, very accurate, great ergonomics, decent trigger. I don't mind heavy DA triggers and the Phantom definitely has some of that going on. I also really enjoy the half #### trigger that you get when using the decocking lever. I've been so happy with the Phantom that I considered buying a second one.

Then I found out about the P-09. It also has all the features I look for in a handgun with a more modern design overall. Having just bought the Phantom, I wanted to wait and see if they would ever come on sale. Turns out Durham Outdoors is currently running a pre-order at a very attractive price. I couldn't pass on that one either.

So that's it in a nutshell, I've really been enjoying CZ pistols and rifles as of late. Feel free to share your experiences with CZ pistols as well!
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Which do you like better and why - the Phantom or the P-09?
 
JJGunner said:
Which do you like better and why - the Phantom or the P-09?
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My P-09 is still in pre-order. Estimated delivery in January. From looks alone, I prefer the slide on the P-09. I rack my pistols with an overhand grip, as opposed to sling shot grip, and find that the slide on the Phantom doesn't allow for a good overhand grip. It still works just fine, but it's like the serrations were designed for the sling shot grip. I'm curious about the Omega trigger on the P-09. The trigger on the Phantom is just fine but I wonder if they will be any different. I've been reading that the mags aren't really compatible between both. That's a shame.
 
RangerPark said:
I hear your concerns on the 557, mine was a bit of a diamond in the rough. When I got mine the bolt would close tight on factory ammo. My go gauge revealed headspace was a bit short. A quick examination also revealed lug engagement to be marginal. This was the perfect scenario for lug lapping. This brought the lugs to approximately 80% contact and now the bolt closes just fine on the go gauge. I don't believe headspace has changed that much but I think there was a high spot on the lugs. It would have probably broken in just fine, I likely accelerated the process. Most people would have sent this rifle back but I prefer to do that kind of work myself. It now has the smoothest bolt I've ever seen on a bolt action rifle.

That being said, it's by far my favorite .308 bolt rifle at the moment. To me it's the ultimate workhorse in a hunting rifle. I don't consider it heavy compared to other rifles I've owned bit it's definitely not a mountain rifle either. I'm not into shooting from the bench so much anymore. I'm really looking forward to putting this rifle through various field shooting exercises. The rifle is perfectly balanced and is a pleasure to shoot. This is much more important to me than simply being lightweight. I remember reading a quote on here about ultralight rifles "pointing like a power drill." This is definitely not a problem with this rifle.

My 557 is now Devcon bedded. Taking apart the rifle for bedding made me appreciate the way it's built. There's a lot of machining work in that action, much more than you'd expect to see in a rifle at this price point. The trigger was typical CZ, coming apart in about 20 different pieces. This made me appreciate the simplicity of the Remington 700 trigger. I do enjoy the feel of the CZ trigger though, mine being set as a dual stage trigger with a crisp second stage.

While zeroing the scope it gave me a nice 1" group at 200 yards with 180 grains Federal Fusion. Good enough to finish the season. I have a Leupold VX-6HD 3-18x44 on it and I'm using Leupold QRW2 quick detach rings. Scope is zeroed at 200 and the irons are zeroed at 50 and hit the same as the scope at that distance. Hard to beat this combo for actual field performance. I'll fine tune the system in the spring also with my ultimate goal of both the irons and scope hitting the same at 200 yards.

I have 2 mags for it, both needed feed lips tuning to feed optimally. My mags don't fall free, and that's perfect for a field rifle. I wouldn't want to hike a couple of miles and realize the mag fell out somewhere along the way. I really enjoy the double stack double feed feature, much more versatile than a single feed AICS compatible variant.

That's enough for now. I'll do some load development in the spring. Based on what I've seen so far this is going to be a very accurate rifle.
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I have played with cycling the action with the two styles of magazine while cleaning the rifle. 2 things bug me the horrible bolt release that is an inside secret its so hidden (actually had to read the instructions) and the 4 round magazine moving in the front ever so slightly when closed on the first round chambered. With the 10 round magazine this does not happen. It cycles like a racehorse though now after several hundred rounds. The bolt is smooth and the bolt pops open and fly's lightly opening and closing on both ends. Side by side with an enfield I bet it would cycle faster actually. (would be an interesting side by side comparison video) I like that the rifle despite the 2 little annoyances I have had with it is other-wise nice as heck and the sights are very good also. Decided I need a smaller and lighter scope than the Bushnell engage I have on it now in 2-10. Makes the rifle weigh about as much as my scoped k98 and too top heavy. Defeats the purpose of a light scout rifle. Thinking about another 2-7 or 1-4/6 scope option that would be good quality and not fog up in the damp but also not break the bank.
 
RangerPark said:
My P-09 is still in pre-order. Estimated delivery in January. From looks alone, I prefer the slide on the P-09. I rack my pistols with an overhand grip, as opposed to sling shot grip, and find that the slide on the Phantom doesn't allow for a good overhand grip. It still works just fine, but it's like the serrations were designed for the sling shot grip. I'm curious about the Omega trigger on the P-09. The trigger on the Phantom is just fine but I wonder if they will be any different. I've been reading that the mags aren't really compatible between both. That's a shame.
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I also have the Phantom and I was considering the P-09, but the magazines are more expensive and I would need to buy another holster as well.
 
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