CZ RedHead O/U shotgun, Opinions ?

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I have been thinking about getting one of these. Are they a good gun to start out shooting skeet/trap? Are they about average of the pack, or still on the cheap end of the market? I am new to this sport, so I just wanted to know also, if I bought one of these would I be able to compete with the guys shooting $3000-$4000 guns, if our shooting ability was the same?

Are you pretty much just getting a nicer/fancier gun when you spend $3000-$4000, and not getting any benefits as far as shooting goes from a $3000 Browning O/U over a $1000 CZ ?

Also, I have noticed that the Redhead lists on the CZ website for around $1000. What would be a fair price for a nice used one, that has'nt been abused or scratched up badly ? Would $600-$750 sound right for a used RedHead?

What other guns in this price range would compare to the CZ Redhead?
 
I have been thinking about getting one of these. Are they a good gun to start out shooting skeet/trap? Are they about average of the pack, or still on the cheap end of the market? I am new to this sport, so I just wanted to know also, if I bought one of these would I be able to compete with the guys shooting $3000-$4000 guns, if our shooting ability was the same?

Are you pretty much just getting a nicer/fancier gun when you spend $3000-$4000, and not getting any benefits as far as shooting goes from a $3000 Browning O/U over a $1000 CZ ?

Also, I have noticed that the Redhead lists on the CZ website for around $1000. What would be a fair price for a nice used one, that has'nt been abused or scratched up badly ? Would $600-$750 sound right for a used RedHead?

What other guns in this price range would compare to the CZ Redhead?

if you want a bunch of opinions on the CZ guns, go to
shotgunworld.com
if you want bashingn, simply go onto the "shotgun opinions" forum and ask the question.
if you want informed - (not ALL of the favourable) click on the
"Huglu shotguns" forum - these guys will give you the honest opinion, warts and beuaty marks included.
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Myself, I've never shot one, but did own a Bobwhite for a while and loved the gun.
 
Should you take some time to read through various gun forums (notably Shotgun World dot com’s – Shotgun Opinions Forum, Huglu Lovers Forum etc) – you may note that there is a love/hate relationship associated with CZ (Huglu) products.

The reason being, those firearms that work well from day one really continues to tick along but there are also many of those that become prone to trouble from the onset. Some of those get fixed and the trouble doesn’t recur. However, many have gone back repeatedly for warranty. BTW, CZ does offer a 5-year warranty on their products.

You may further uncover that the majority of such issues lay within CZ’s (actually Huglu’s) QC realm more prominently in the form of defective SST (read single trigger assembly), fragile firing pins, heavy trigger etc. You will also read that the majority of those issues involved shotguns introduced by CZ (in the US Markets) prior to 2005.

Judging by the later production shotguns (and most feedbacks/reports in the aforementioned forums), it appears that CZ has managed to redress that QC “weak link in the chain” to a major (if not full) extent.

An important thing to keep in view when shopping for a CZ shotgun would be the true application of that firearm because aside from one particular O/U model (as far as I’m aware) the rest of the CZ shotguns (i.e. both O/U and obviously, SXS) have been designed as Field models (read carry more, shoot less kinda scenario :)).

And, therein, rides in the Trojan Horse as those shotguns generally will not sustain high volume use (read regular and heavy clay shooting duties). Occasional/informal range use shouldn’t be a problem. It may also not be entirely out of place to mention that some of those very field models have had multiple thousands of rounds (even exceeding 10s) shot through those at the clay targets without any trouble. However, those, IMO, are/were more exceptions than the norm. Besides, the CZs haven't been around long enough to safely issue any verdicts on the endurance aspect.

Now, if the intent is to acquire an O/U purely (or mostly) for the purpose of range duties – then I must strongly recommend that you to look into a used/new Beretta or a Browning (dependant obviously on budget and gun fit).

Bear in mind though that while a $3-$4k gun will be better built end-to end – that factor alone shouldn’t auto translate into the fact that it will make a better shooter (I meant the shotgun) in every sense of the term. There are many variables to consider in this aspect – the question of appropriate gun fit being the most important.

FWIW, I’ve found the Huglu made shotguns do have very well regulated bbls and equipped with good quality of wood in a product within its price range. Personally, I've owned/still own a few CZ SXS (12/16/20/28) with DTs and haven't had problems with any since 2005.

Your call…….:D
 
Thanks for the advise on shotgun world. It seems like there are quite a few comments on the CZ shotguns, because of the less then stellar Turkish quality that CZ has done for them. Some guys seem to really love the Redhead shotgun, but some guys also say that it won't hold up to the repeated use that skeet/trap shooting calls for.

It sounds like the CZ shotgun would be fine if I plan on doing trap/skeet a couple times a month, but if I plan on shooting much more than that, then alot of guys say its best to spend the extra money and get a Browning, or Beretta.
 
Ahsan Ahmed sums it up nicely. The Shotgun World bashing seems to largely be the part of a half dozen obsessive compulsive haters who seem to have invaded every single CZ shotgun thread.

A couple of CGNs did a detailed review of the Bobwhite here: http://members.shaw.ca/sharptail/CZReview.pdf

I did some fairly extensive research on the CZs before ordering a Partridge from Prophet River, and concluded that the bashing was mostly internet hating and they were a much better quality risk than Norinco. The Partidige looks great, has no detectable issues, and I can't wait to try it out.
 
The following is a typical old ShotgunWorld post filled with the usual bickering :D.

However, you will also find mention of changes made post 2005 basis the observations by a certain forum member - Riflemeister (please refer to page 2 of the thread). I've read enough posts by that individual and don't consider his views/feedback with any mix of skepticism.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=229647&start=20

At the risk of repeating myself, I'd still recommend a Beretta/Browning for Clay shooting (even field models will offer great service in that regard).

Hope the above helps you to take a more informed decision.
 
I own a CZ Canvasback what is basically the same as the Redhead just not as fancy. Black receiver, manual safety and extractors instead of ejectors for about three month now. I really like the gun. but if I were a high volume shooter I would get a Browning or Beretta. I shoot about 50-75 rounds a week and do some hunting. So far I had not a problem. I have read that Huglu bought new tooling machinery from Italy in 06 or 07 and the quality improved since then. Here is a write up on the Redhead by a gun magazine.

http://www.sportinggun.co.uk/guns/283660/Huglu_103D_shotgun_review.html

I hope this helps you to make up your mind.
 
A forum member at ShotgunWorld has shot over 13k rounds to date through his Canvasback from early 2009 without any issues. He also has a thread ongoing for feedback on the durability experiment of his shotgun.

While the number of cartridges fired is certainly not a lot compared to the standards of field model shotgun specimens such as a Beretta/Browning - it does show that a reasonably well finished low priced shotgun such as the CZ field model could function well for the purpose it had originally been designed.

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=137&t=189338
 
I have been thinking about getting one of these. Are they a good gun to start out shooting skeet/trap? Are they about average of the pack, or still on the cheap end of the market? I am new to this sport, so I just wanted to know also, if I bought one of these would I be able to compete with the guys shooting $3000-$4000 guns, if our shooting ability was the same?

Are you pretty much just getting a nicer/fancier gun when you spend $3000-$4000, and not getting any benefits as far as shooting goes from a $3000 Browning O/U over a $1000 CZ ?

Also, I have noticed that the Redhead lists on the CZ website for around $1000. What would be a fair price for a nice used one, that has'nt been abused or scratched up badly ? Would $600-$750 sound right for a used RedHead?



What other guns in this price range would compare to the CZ Redhead?

You can start skeet or trap with anything you wish. Just my opinion but within your choices, I think that the CZ is an entry level gun. As far as shooting goes, best ability will win over best equipment. The CZ is a hunting gun so I would compare it to quality hunting o/u. The Browning Citori is one at about $1900. Is it twice the gun that the CZ is? My opinion is Yes! The Browning has been around a long time and is proven to last. I do not know of anyone who has worn out a browning target gun (same action) with mega amount of rounds shot. Replacement of a few parts over a lifetime is what I would expect from any citori. For a little more than the cost of a CZ you can get a used citori with lots of life left. The CZ does not enjoy the reputation that the citori has. I used the citori as a gun that I would think in the mid class. The best shooter will win the day no matter what brand he shoots. Unless you are blessed with mega talent you may not get competitive until you have logged mega rounds. One good shooter who used to haunt these thread used to say it took about 10,000 rounds before you figured out the game. At 10,000 rounds a citori is just getting broke in, and will last your lifetime and more. I can not say that about any CZ. In the end, you do get what you pay for. The best argument I have seen for a CZ is that it will be OK for a hunting volume shooter. To answer your last question $600 would be about right for a CZ in good shape. Just my opinion, but for $600.00 I would prefer a tired looking citori.
 
CZ is a good entry level gun for hunting -- The only problem I see in Canada is that they have a small distributor with limited ability to stock parts in any depth. I ran into that problem myself. Look for a good used "common"brand name in the same price range -- Browning, Ithaca/SKB -- to name a couple.
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