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Brought home my new Shadow 2 and familiarizing myself with it. Unloaded state, hammer fully down, slide closed, empty magazine inserted and I can’t engage the safety. I can do it with the gun in a half cocked state or fully cocked and the action to engage is smooth in those cases.

Is this normal? I thought I could engage the safety in any state of operation to prevent slide and trigger manipulation or is this because the safety is redundant when the hammer is fully down, no round chambered?

Go easy on me. First handgun, I’ve probably not used the correct terminology either.
 
Ahh. So everything is working as it should? The manual seemed to be confusing as it didn’t seem to mention anything about this.
 
This is totally normal. You probably won’t use the manual safety much on a DA/SA. The “ready state” in most competitive settings is “hammer down”, or at the half-#### in the case of the Shadow 2. The double action pull on the first shot makes the manual safety pretty redundant.
 
on some Shadow and Shadow 2's the safety can be engaged when the hammer is down, not always, but sometimes. So don't be surprised if you get one that does.
 
Only time the manual safety gets used on S2 these days is when dumping a hot gun into barrel/table during 3gun course of fire. Holstering a hot gun with hammer back, even with safety on is a DQ.
 
Slavex said:
on some Shadow and Shadow 2's the safety can be engaged when the hammer is down, not always, but sometimes. So don't be surprised if you get one that does.
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I didn't know that.... is this on Modded units or a factory defect? I though you could only put the decocker on with the hammer down on some models with that feature. Any Shadow I have handed 1 or 2 required me to pull back the hammer to full #### to engage the safety.
 
Hanzo said:
Only time the manual safety gets used on S2 these days is when dumping a hot gun into barrel/table during 3gun course of fire. Holstering a hot gun with hammer back, even with safety on is a DQ.
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Correct me if I get it wrong in IPSC, holstering a hot gun(loaded pistol, one round in chamber, hammer cocked), with safety on is a DQ? Because of what?
Open division and standard division do not have minimum trigger pull requirement, only production requires a double action for the first trigger pull.
 
I don't shoot IPSC, but what about single action gun? Back in the day , I always had the slide back, mag out.
Or the cylinder open ,But that was not holster work. Guess I am dating my self.
I am playing with a single action Jericho right now.
The safety is frame mounted, not slide mounted, same as CZ, sometimes I can put it on safe with the hammer down, most of the time , the safety will not go on.
Will have to pull it a part again and have a look.
these safety's are almost a 3 hand job to work on.
sonichanxiao said:
Correct me if I get it wrong in IPSC, holstering a hot gun(loaded pistol, one round in chamber, hammer cocked), with safety on is a DQ? Because of what?
Open division and standard division do not have minimum trigger pull requirement, only production requires a double action for the first trigger pull.
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marshall said:
I don't shoot IPSC, but what about single action gun? Back in the day , I always had the slide back, mag out.
Or the cylinder open ,But that was not holster work. Guess I am dating my self.
I am playing with a single action Jericho right now.
The safety is frame mounted, not slide mounted, same as CZ, sometimes I can put it on safe with the hammer down, most of the time , the safety will not go on.
Will have to pull it a part again and have a look.
these safety's are almost a 3 hand job to work on.
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Shadow 2 is an IPSC approved competition pistol. I assumed that was the scenario when the OP asked.

I see people still do the way like you, magazine out, slide back/chamber open when holster the gun.

For single action pistol in IPSC, e.g. CZ Tactical Sport, I think the competitors will draw the pistol form holster, insert magazine, pull the slider(#### the pistol, feed one round into chamber), turn the safety on and re-holster to make it ready. The safety would not be switched on when the hammer is not back. Shadow 2's safety is the same case.

But I know for a Beretta 92FS like pistol, the safety is on the slider, you can turn it on and off regardless whether the gun is cocked/hammer is back or not.
 
For DA in Production, on the command, Load & Make Ready, competitor unholsters pistol, insert barney mag, chamber a round, lower hammer, replace barney mag with full mag, reholster and hands off pistol to signal to the RO they are ready to proceed. There is no need to engage the safety as some pistols won't allow you to engage it with the hammer down (or don't have hammers like striker fired pistols).

For SA in Standard or Open, similar as above but instead of lowering the hammer, shooter engages the safety before reholstering.

Then there are stage rules which will explicitly detail the condition of the pistol before the start.
 
Hanzo said:
Only time the manual safety gets used on S2 these days is when dumping a hot gun into barrel/table during 3gun course of fire. Holstering a hot gun with hammer back, even with safety on is a DQ.
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Please tell how would you execute the "Load and Holster" command on the line in PPC with Shadow 1/2 ?
 
Thanks for all the replies. Lots of information.

I’ve taken my CZ out to see how it is and I love it. My right thumb tip is somewhat mashed up from slide lock and safety operation and somehow ingrained with black crud. My slide racking technique needs some finesse and my grip needs work for consistency but I was shooting reasonably tight groups at short distances with a few bullseyes in so I’m very happy. Lots to work on and learn.

Holy crap is my thumb sore.

Also. I’m going to need a lot more ammo.
 
Hanzo said:
Only time the manual safety gets used on S2 these days is when dumping a hot gun into barrel/table during 3gun course of fire. Holstering a hot gun with hammer back, even with safety on is a DQ.
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Your statement is "normally" applicable to the Production Division. Exceptionally, a stage procedure may alter that.
Your statement is incorrect for Standard & Open Divisions.
Shadows 1 & 2 are occasionally seen in Standard Division, shooters choice. Unless bumped for whatever reason, I have yet to see one in Open Division.
 
UR2X3M4ME said:
Your statement is "normally" applicable to the Production Division. Exceptionally, a stage procedure may alter that.
Your statement is incorrect for Standard & Open Divisions.
Shadows 1 & 2 are occasionally seen in Standard Division, shooters choice. Unless bumped for whatever reason, I have yet to see one in Open Division.
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On top of that, holstering gun with hammer back AND safety ON during course of fire is OK even in Production (e.g. you're about to climb steep stairs and need/want both hands) You just can't start the stage like, first shot must be DA.

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Stranger said:
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You just can't start the stage like, first shot must be DA.
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If the first cartridge must be chambered, how to de-#### Shadow 1/2 on the line? Safety's just a safety here, no de-cocker as with Jericho (on the slide) or P226 (separate lever) ...
 
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