CZ Shadow vs Tanfoglio Stock III for IPSC production

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Could some of you who have experience with either or both the CZ Shadow and Tanfoglio Stock III give me your opinion on which would be a better fit for IPSC production regardless of which costs more, just on characteristics? I believe the Stock III is a little more front heavy and can therefore be better for follow up shots? I also heard different opinions on the stock triggers for both of these. I heard the CZ is better and I also heard the Stock III trigger is better.

Thanks In Advance!
 
I own a Cz and would definatly buy the Tanfoglio if I had to do it again... Buy the stock 3 from Roger at Dark International and have him polish the internals up for ya, you will not be disapointed with the gun the price or Rogers work..... :) Karl B is running one and loves it, I have not seen his stock 2 since he got the 3 and that speaks volumes in my opinion...
 
JOJOPINTO said:
I own a Cz and would definatly buy the Tanfoglio if I had to do it again... Buy the stock 3 from Roger at Dark International and have him polish the internals up for ya, you will not be disapointed with the gun the price or Rogers work..... :) Karl B is running one and loves it, I have not seen his stock 2 since he got the 3 and that speaks volumes in my opinion...
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Interesting! Thanks. One last question if I could pick your brain. Any big disadvantage using .40 in a Stock III for production instead of 9mm besides price? I figure if I download the .40 to minor power factor recoil should be similar.
 
cbabes said:
Interesting! Thanks. One last question if I could pick your brain. Any big disadvantage using .40 in a Stock III for production instead of 9mm besides price? I figure if I download the .40 to minor power factor recoil should be similar.
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I don't see any disadvantage at all, it sure would be soft shooting with a heavy bullet in production minor....
 
both good guns. If price is no object..than get a Stock2. A stock 3 is also a great gun.
 
I have put plenty of rounds down range with a CZ, but my next production gun will be a Stock 3. The Stock 2 is terrific, but I am not sure if it is worth the extra cost.The service provided by Sean at Freedom Ventures is invaluable. I remember trying to source parts and labor over the years for CZ products in Canada, and my experience was poor at best.
 
cbabes said:
Interesting! Thanks. One last question if I could pick your brain. Any big disadvantage using .40 in a Stock III for production instead of 9mm besides price? I figure if I download the .40 to minor power factor recoil should be similar.
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Go with heavier bullets if you want to gain the advantage of lighter felt recoil. I run 2.8 gr of Titegroup under my 180 gr cast boolits to make 130+PF. Recoil is just a shove and much lighter than say 124 gr 9MM at the same PF. I aso run a 154 gr lead boolit in 9MM and it is softer than the 124gr lead but still a little snappier than the .40cal load. Incidently the 180 gr bullet is very accurate out of the .40cal at that PF. Graet for shooting steel.

If funds are an issue take a look at the Model L from Tanfoglio. I have one in 9MM with a .40cal top end. At my skill level the gun performs better than I can. The trigger won't be as nice as the Stock 11 or 111 but the price point is lower.

+1 os Sean's service.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Go with heavier bullets if you want to gain the advantage of lighter felt recoil. I run 2.8 gr of Titegroup under my 180 gr cast boolits to make 130+PF. Recoil is just a shove and much lighter than say 124 gr 9MM at the same PF. I aso run a 154 gr lead boolit in 9MM and it is softer than the 124gr lead but still a little snappier than the .40cal load. Incidently the 180 gr bullet is very accurate out of the .40cal at that PF. Graet for shooting steel.

If funds are an issue take a look at the Model L from Tanfoglio. I have one in 9MM with a .40cal top end. At my skill level the gun performs better than I can. The trigger won't be as nice as the Stock 11 or 111 but the price point is lower.

+1 os Sean's service.

Take Care

Bob
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Thanks Bob! What about fast shots with that load? Does it slow down the cycling for follow up shots?
 
Not that I can see. Gun goes bang as fast as I can pull the trigger. I use this load in my M&P Pro .40cal. The Tanfoglios slide maybe heavier and might call for a lighter recoil spring to ensure solid cycling. Like others have posted Tanfoglios are great guns and Sean does provide excellent service. Something to remember about considering the .40cal for Production is that most of the top shooters use the 9MM. That said I can't bench press 200 lbs or operate the #4 Gripper like Vogel can and my body doesn't resemble a Greek God* either so I like the .40cal for Production.

Take Care

Bob
*I was going to add "like it once did" to the sentence but my memory isn't as good as it once was.LOL
 
Chris I use the load in my M&P Pro and the gun functions perfectly. The Tanfoglio may have a heavier slide and you may have ti install a lighter recoil spring to ensure solid cycling. You won't know that until you get the gun. Something to remember is most of the top shooters use the 9MM in Production. That said a guy like vogel can bench press a zillion pounds and squeeze the # 4 Gripper. If you have the samer amount of strength then shoot whaever you choose. For hobbyists and normal bodied folks the down loaded .40cal may offer some advantges by way of reduced recoil. The load is great for shooting steel as well incidently.

Take Care

Bob
 
Thanks Bob. Yeah I have heard nothing but good things about Sean as well. I am still having a tough choice here. Called Freedom and almost pulled the trigger. Sean was so honest when I asked him if he knew anyone who used .40 for Production and said no. Seems a lot of the US guys do download .40 for minor but I have given it enough thought for now that I am going to pass on the .40 for minor. Either waiting for Sean to get the 9mm Stock III Special in November or buying the regular Stock III Wednesday. lmao
 
Hey buddy i've seen ya at a few matches before. I've had 2 Shadows that were done to full retard. I sold the Shadows and went with the Stock 3. Here's my pros/cons of each:
Trigger-Shadow I've done everything to the Tangfo and the Shadow will always have a better trigger.
Design-Tangfo, square trigger guard, adjustable rear sights, larger rear sights, better grip with bigger beavertail, magwell, you can fit more of your hand into the grip due to smaller hammer spring, front back checkering is more aggressive, longer sight radius, heavier gun, longer barrel, quality of gun, fit of frame and upper is tighter, if you wrap your weak hand index finger around the trigger guard the Tangfo is made better for that too
Magazines, holsters, grips, parts-Tangfo mags are better than CZ, holsters for Stock 3 harder to come by, grips are more expensive, not much aftermarket and a wait if you can find it (Hammer)

I'd say if cost isn't an issue the Tangfo overall is better but the Shadows trigger can not be beat.

As far as the trigger goes Tangfos to get right don't really comply by IPSC rules other than the 5lbs D/A-I havn't seen one yet that would go below.
 
johhny12gauge said:
Hey buddy i've seen ya at a few matches before. I've had 2 Shadows that were done to full retard. I sold the Shadows and went with the Stock 3. Here's my pros/cons of each:
Trigger-Shadow I've done everything to the Tangfo and the Shadow will always have a better trigger.
Design-Tangfo, square trigger guard, adjustable rear sights, larger rear sights, better grip with bigger beavertail, magwell, you can fit more of your hand into the grip due to smaller hammer spring, front back checkering is more aggressive, longer sight radius, heavier gun, longer barrel, quality of gun, fit of frame and upper is tighter, if you wrap your weak hand index finger around the trigger guard the Tangfo is made better for that too
Magazines, holsters, grips, parts-Tangfo mags are better than CZ, holsters for Stock 3 harder to come by, grips are more expensive, not much aftermarket and a wait if you can find it (Hammer)

I'd say if cost isn't an issue the Tangfo overall is better but the Shadows trigger can not be beat.

As far as the trigger goes Tangfos to get right don't really comply by IPSC rules other than the 5lbs D/A-I havn't seen one yet that would go below.
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Thanks for this!
 
Np buddy, if you do get a Stock 3 (I like the design more than the Stock 2, as well as the price). PM me and i'll tell you what you need to know to get the trigger better. Just like my old Shadow if you want reliability you'll only be running Federal Primers in the future.
 
cbabes said:
Thanks Bob! What about fast shots with that load? Does it slow down the cycling for follow up shots?
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Generally speaking:
Heavier bullets = softer recoil impulse and slower return.
Lighter bullets = snappier recoil impulse and faster return.

Note: the lightest .40 bullet is still going to be heavier than the heaviest 9mm bullet. That in mind, you will find most will opt for 9mm.
I like the ergonomics of the Tanfo because of the checkering, beavertail, safeties and adjustable sights but the CZ's have better triggers, even after smithing work.
 
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