CZ Shadow vs Tanfoglio ?

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Ok I did a brief search and there are a couple of threads about this but I couldn't find one that did a good comparison between these two guns. I own a CZ Shadow and it is awesome but I saw a fella at the range with a similar gun and asked him what it was. He said Tanfoglio and then left. Wasn't much of a talker. I am assuming it was an L model as it looked almost identical to mine.

How do these two gun compare ? I know the Tanfoglio is about $400 more and that it about it.

Do many IPSC production shooters use the Tanfoglio ?
 
Ok I did a brief search and there are a couple of threads about this but I couldn't find one that did a good comparison between these two guns. I own a CZ Shadow and it is awesome but I saw a fella at the range with a similar gun and asked him what it was. He said Tanfoglio and then left. Wasn't much of a talker. I am assuming it was an L model as it looked almost identical to mine.

How do these two gun compare ? I know the Tanfoglio is about $400 more and that it about it.

Do many IPSC production shooters use the Tanfoglio ?

No not many in Western Canada!
 
I asked Josko from double tap (site sponsor) the same question via email. Here was his response:

"For the money I would personally stick to CZ. "
 
I would suggest tanfoglio, I've had 2 shadows in the past and I like how the tanfoglio feels better. U can get a higher grip on the tanfo because the way the beavertail is shaped.

Try contacting Sean at freedom ventures he can hook u up with anything and he's awesome to deal with.

For ipsc production the stock 2 or 3 can't be beat, and standard division the limited custom is the best bang for buck.
 
I did this mini review when my tanfoglio arrived last year.

Some observations.

The finish on the Stock II is much much nicer than the spo1 shadow. The paint is functional and to be honest I have not put a scratch in it yet during two years of ipsc shooting, but it is a bit fugly. I much prefer the hard chrome finish of the stock 2 and i figure it will wear less through practice draws.

Fuction. I had three stoppages out of about 200 rounds with the tanfoglio stock II. All light primer strikes. They were all near the end of the shooting session. What I am figuring is that there was cosmoline or whatever preservative that they ship the guns with stayed in the firing pin channel, that mixed up with some powder fouling could have made it more difficult for the firing pin to deliver. After the range session I soaked the slide in solvent, I am hoping that this will cure my light hammerstrikes or I may end up having to install a heavier mainspring. To be honest I was about ready to turf my cz sp01 shadaw two years ago. I had tried out four different styles of bullets before finding one that it could digest properly.

The trigger. Somewhat unlike the observations of a few here the trigger I did not find the trigger on the shadow vastly superior to the stock II. They are very different. The shadows double action trigger is longer and requires roughly equal pressure throughout its stroke. The tanfoglios trigger has a much shorter double action trigger pull which does have some stacking. Maybe I am weird but I kind of like that. As I know when the trigger will break and can check my alignment to make a shot. The CZ you have to hold perfect alignment thoughout the pull. Something that I do imperfectly

Single action. Basically a wash both feel around 5 lbs I do not own a fish scale. The CZ has a little cleaner trigger, the tanfoglio had a little bit of creep. This may work itself out after awhile.

There may be a difference in the reset of the trigger. A much more skilled shooter than I could take avantage of the somewhat shorter reset on the tanfoglio.

Accuracy. It was a wash. I was shooting my cast lead 124 grain and 147 grain bullets. They both were shooting 2 inch groups at 10 yards. I could not tell any difference between the guns and probably never will. Both can hold an A zone out to 50 yards which is all I need. I was very happy that the barrel of the tanfoglio was not leaded after shooting a couple hundred rounds of cast bullets. It has polygonal rifling which is the justification that glocks go kaboom with lead bullets. It actually leaded a less than my CZ with standard rifling and I shot about 3 times as many bullets out of it during my shoot yesterday.

Sights. I liked that the tanfoglio's are fully adjustable. My cz sp01 are only drift adjustable and not adjustable for elevation. Mine came from the factory hitting a few inches high. I have to compensate and use a six o'clock hold on more precise shots. However the fibreoptic sight on the cz is quicker to pick up than the standard steel sight on the tanfoglio.

Ergonomics. You would have to be the friendly giant to be able to engage the mag release with your thumb without changing your grip during a mag change on a tanfogio. And the slidestop is pretty much a decoration. There is no way my thumb is able to get past the safety to disengage the slidelock without changing my grip.

I am thinking that I may have to flip the magazine release to the righthand side of the tanfoglio and learn to engage it with my trigger finger. The slidestop will probablly only be used for disassembly and I will need to use me left hand to rack the slide.


Recoil. Hands down tanfoglio. The cz is not uncomfortable, but the tanfoglio is heavier and perceived recoil was less.

One year or so later, I have shot a season of IPSC. In my hands the stock 2 handles a little faster, but it is a little fussier.

I own both ,shoot both and I love both. The tanfoglio is a much prettier pistol, my wife was like ooh made in Italy. But they function about about the same. Some folks use cz competition parts to spruce up thier gun and still be legal. I can not really comment on how a tuned shadow shoots as I do not have one.
as to whether the stock II is worth more? it is what it is. If you want to shoot a stock II then it cost a bit more than a CZ shadow. Worth it is entirely dependent on the individual's desires and means. I have both so it is worth it to me to own both. One of my buddies has two stock IIs and another shooter has two SP01. For all the folks that have one or the other it is obviously worth it to them.

The top production shooter in Canada is shooting a CZ Shadow, so the platform will not hold you back too much.

Here are some pics. Comparing the two.





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JBD That is exactly what I want looking for, thanks. However, the Stock II is priced at around $1900 and the CZ is priced at around $750. So bang for your buck wouldn't the CZ be the better deal ?

I see the L model is listed at around $1000 which although more than the CZ is it not that much more. Any experience with this model ?
 
JBD That is exactly what I want looking for, thanks. However, the Stock II is priced at around $1900 and the CZ is priced at around $750. So bang for your buck wouldn't the CZ be the better deal ?

I see the L model is listed at around $1000 which although more than the CZ is it not that much more. Any experience with this model ?

I have no experience with the L model nor have I seen anyone use it in competition. As for bang for the buck, I believe the guns shoot and handle about the same, and the CZ is about half the price.
 
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The "L" Model is DA only......completely different animal.

The Stock 3 is closer to the Shadow in price....right around $1100 or so!

Not sure this is correct .. There may be some L versions that are DA only but the only ones i found on the Tanfoglio website are IPSC guns which means DA/SA...

P21 L
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Double action semi automatic pistol made for I.P.S.C. - Production and Standard Class - and I.D.P.A. competitions as well as for target shooting.
The barrel has polygonal rifling, the slide has large serrations and the sides are manuallly polished.
The extended safety, the custom magazine catch, reversible for left hand shooters, the wooden grips, the fully adjustable rear sight and the removable front sight are standard components of the P 21 L model.
In the pistol case there are: the cleaning set and the spare magazine.

FORCE L
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Double action semi automatic pistol made for I.P.S.C. - Production and Standard Class - and I.D.P.A. competitions as well as for target shooting.
The frame is made by polymer, the steel-made slide is lightened with large serrations for a better grip.
The FORCE L model is supplied with: adjustable rear sight, removable dovetailed front sight, spare magazine and a cleaning set.


RDG
 
Actually it appears to me that the Stock III is more like the CZ. The L model I was looking at and refering to was out of the Freedom Ventures catalog and may be only DA. It states that the gun is popular for IDPA if that means anything. I don't see a Stock III in their catalog but the one on the Tanfogfio web site shows one.

A Stock III for $1100 would put it a little more than the CZ but is it more/better gun ?
 
Actually it appears to me that the Stock III is more like the CZ. The L model I was looking at and refering to was out of the Freedom Ventures catalog and may be only DA. It states that the gun is popular for IDPA if that means anything. I don't see a Stock III in their catalog but the one on the Tanfogfio web site shows one.

A Stock III for $1100 would put it a little more than the CZ but is it more/better gun ?

Try this thread:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=608689
 
You may be right, but to me DA means....well DA. DA/SA is what most people want. If those guns are DA/SA.....someone needs to look at the descriptions and have them changed


I think many just get lazy when discussing guns with a DA first shot. I have seen guns advertised as DA only.. to make the distinction. I have shot with an RCMP officer that used his duty pistol at one of our IPSC nights which was DA only. While he did well it was clear that DA only held him back in making two shots per target faster than a DA/SA gun. I think he was shooting a Smith and Wesson Model 5946 DA only pistol...


RDG
 
Thanks. Must be popular as those places appear to be sold out. I wonder if it is $400 better than the CZ Shadow ? It looks good from what I can tell.

Hey there Jacky... Tanfoglio pistols are clones of the CZ design. They started producing pistols (under license from CZ) for the US market when CZ pistols were not available because of the politics of country the are produced in. The designs are virtually identical. They do things a bit differently internally like the springs for the trigger bar etc but you would be surprised how similar they are.

So.. to answer is the Tanfoglio Stock III worth $400 more than the CZ shadow.. Functionally.. i doubt it. It just depends on what you prefer...and how much money you have.. If you dont have the cash buy the shadow.. its an equivalent gun to the Stock III..and as many others have said.. it will not hold you back..

AS for myself.. I own both a CZ and Tanfoglio pistols. I just happen to really like the stainless finish on the Tanfoglios such as the Limited Custom and Stock II.. This finish costs more to produce so i am willing to pay for it.. In addition the country of origin may have something to do with the cost here in Canada.

My advice is Get what catches you eye (and is within your budget as shooting is an expensive sport) and you will not be disappointed.

RDG
 
the bull barrel adds significant weight to the stock2....which makes it shoot very flat. I prefer the grip of the stock2 over the shadow I owned. The stock3 has a longer sight radius, which should help for accuracy. I also use a Limited Custom .40 for standard division,...I use the same holsters, mag pouches and a lot of the same parts will work in both guns...etc...
 
Hey Jacky I own a Tanfoglio P19L in 9mm that I purchased from Freedom Ventures through my local dealer back in Feb. of this year. It's a base model gun and I have approximately 2500-3000rounds through it now with no problems to date. The trigger is smooth but a hard pull of 10+lbs in DA and 5ish lbs in SA. The only malfunction I've had is a few stove pipes which I'm contributing to my thumb retarding the slide. The gun feels good in my small hands and I've adapted to shifting the gun to operate the mag release. I will put on an extended mag release in the future. I ordered the gun with Tanfoglio's thin aluminum grips and fiber optic front sight. The gun being all steel is heavy - too heavy for IDPA @ 44.26oz w/empty mag(mine has rail also). The advantage is minimal recoil as a result of the weight and design. I can't comment on the function of the Shadow but realize why they're so popular in production division - you can legally mod them and parts are readily available. Here's a pic of my Tanfo.
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^^^ that's a nice gun. I own a Shadow and it is great but when I saw that guy at the range, his gun looked.....same but beefer ? not sure that is right. I thought someone might tell me here that the fit is better or something that would make it stand out above the CZ. I think I will stick with my CZ for now but my next gun is going to be a Tanfoglio. Not sure which one.

Does anyone own that .22 model ? That might be a good practice gun.
 
I have both the "L" Model Tanfoglio and the Shadow. Both are excellent guns and I have shot both in IDPA and IPSC. From my experience and my level of shooting (IPSC B/C Class Production and IDPA ESP Shaprshooter) there isn't an ounce of difference between the two guns. I actually prefer the Tanfoglio grip over the CZ as I can get my hand deeper into the gun.

I now have over 5K rounds through the Tanfoglio and it remains tight as it was when I bought it.

IMHO both would serve you well for both sports. Try both and buy which one you prefer.

One note of caution the Shadow will have to go on a diet to be IDPA legal. You have to replace the grips with Dennis Marshall thin grips and replace the mag brake with an aluminum one to get the Shadow down to 39oz.

CZ is now producing a 75 Shadow. This model does not have the full length dust cover and comes with a tuned trigger. Pester your retailer to import one. The gun is a winner for IDPA and should work well in IPSC. I suspect the gun when it arrives in Canada will run around $1K or slightly more.

Take Care

Bob
 
Grip and trigger pull would be areas of comparison I guess since the two are almost idetnical. My CZ seems to fit well with my thin grips from Marschal grips and I put a 13# mainspring. The trigger is not bad I guess. I wish that guy at the range let me shoot his so I could compare better.
 
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