lineofsight
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Lower Mainland, BC
A couple weeks ago took CZ to range for function test, 20 rounds, not so sure where they went, tonight it was time to shoot with intent.
Took the CZ and Bert to Semiahmoo (20m indoor) range - you may recall an earlier thread asking for input on 9mm pistols, through some incantations/pleas/promises that cannot be repeated, contortions, voodoo magic, and just living dangerously, ended up both the CZ & Beretta.
Put about 150 rounds through the two of them alternating between them shooting groups of 5 (cause lot easier to load 5 than 10). Interestingly (well maybe not), both produced the same pattern, low and to the left. The last 40 rounds pattern had "tightened" and shifted a little closer to the target center - obviously the target center was drawn in the wrong place.
Found the sights on the CZ clearer - front sight fills more of the rear sight, Bert has more space on either side of the sight and felt like was aiming right to obtain proper sight picture, again though, same results with both, just easier with CZ. The night sights on the CZ also just plain clearer than the white dots on black sight (formerly red dots on stainless).
Found less muzzle flip / recoil with CZ (is heavier), controls on CZ also heavier.
Groups better when consciously more pressure on front and back of grip and more on weak hand than strong hand. Not find much difference where putting finger on trigger even though suspect that this primary cause of shooting left.
Though Bert strips more easily, the CZ much simpler to clean - far fewer nooks and crannies. Really like how the barrel locks up to the slide on the CZ from a design point of view, simple and very solid. Also interesting to compare the simple CZ approach to barrel pivot versus Bert's locking block, pin, retaining pin...
Safeties function in opposite directions - CZ up on, Bert down on. CZ safety not engage unless hammer cocked. Bert's safety functions any time and also as decocker.
Magazines are not interchangeable, I knew that but ended up testing it just the same (mental note, draw line in silver on Bert's mags).
The CZ has an elegance in the simplicity and ruggedness of the design, the Beretta elegant in smoothness/operation of controls and appearance. Both classic designs (though the CZ copied its from the Browning HP while Bert is original with 500 +years of family business behind it). Would not be able to choose between them at this point (though bear in mind if buying one CZ $775, Inox $899 and no accessory rail). Both fire without magazine SA/DA.
Here are the last two targets (left side is actually bottom). If interested in similar targets for your own use can trade you for 9mm ammo as need a lot more practice. The targets may be slightly different than mine though and do need a bit of lead time to produce these.
Next time may start at shorter distance, use rest, no rest, further distance, yada yada yada, but hey, had to just try it first.
Was a great evening, good atmosphere at the range, dad who used to shoot took his son shooting, RO brought out some different pistols for him and provided some tips, other father son team, fellow with interesting bulls eye box, then good drive home (why do they sell cars with more than 300hp, just no good can come of that). Came home, wife had cleaning supplies already laid out. Coons on back deck waiting to hear about range trip (sure are timid eh?). Now a little more work.
Took the CZ and Bert to Semiahmoo (20m indoor) range - you may recall an earlier thread asking for input on 9mm pistols, through some incantations/pleas/promises that cannot be repeated, contortions, voodoo magic, and just living dangerously, ended up both the CZ & Beretta.
Put about 150 rounds through the two of them alternating between them shooting groups of 5 (cause lot easier to load 5 than 10). Interestingly (well maybe not), both produced the same pattern, low and to the left. The last 40 rounds pattern had "tightened" and shifted a little closer to the target center - obviously the target center was drawn in the wrong place.
Found the sights on the CZ clearer - front sight fills more of the rear sight, Bert has more space on either side of the sight and felt like was aiming right to obtain proper sight picture, again though, same results with both, just easier with CZ. The night sights on the CZ also just plain clearer than the white dots on black sight (formerly red dots on stainless).
Found less muzzle flip / recoil with CZ (is heavier), controls on CZ also heavier.
Groups better when consciously more pressure on front and back of grip and more on weak hand than strong hand. Not find much difference where putting finger on trigger even though suspect that this primary cause of shooting left.
Though Bert strips more easily, the CZ much simpler to clean - far fewer nooks and crannies. Really like how the barrel locks up to the slide on the CZ from a design point of view, simple and very solid. Also interesting to compare the simple CZ approach to barrel pivot versus Bert's locking block, pin, retaining pin...
Safeties function in opposite directions - CZ up on, Bert down on. CZ safety not engage unless hammer cocked. Bert's safety functions any time and also as decocker.
Magazines are not interchangeable, I knew that but ended up testing it just the same (mental note, draw line in silver on Bert's mags).
The CZ has an elegance in the simplicity and ruggedness of the design, the Beretta elegant in smoothness/operation of controls and appearance. Both classic designs (though the CZ copied its from the Browning HP while Bert is original with 500 +years of family business behind it). Would not be able to choose between them at this point (though bear in mind if buying one CZ $775, Inox $899 and no accessory rail). Both fire without magazine SA/DA.
Here are the last two targets (left side is actually bottom). If interested in similar targets for your own use can trade you for 9mm ammo as need a lot more practice. The targets may be slightly different than mine though and do need a bit of lead time to produce these.
Next time may start at shorter distance, use rest, no rest, further distance, yada yada yada, but hey, had to just try it first.
Was a great evening, good atmosphere at the range, dad who used to shoot took his son shooting, RO brought out some different pistols for him and provided some tips, other father son team, fellow with interesting bulls eye box, then good drive home (why do they sell cars with more than 300hp, just no good can come of that). Came home, wife had cleaning supplies already laid out. Coons on back deck waiting to hear about range trip (sure are timid eh?). Now a little more work.
but how come no pics of the guns? 
