CZ SP01 Tactical Owners... or CZ gurus in general

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Picked up a SP01 tactical (first venture into SA/DA/decocker) a bit ago, shot great out of the box, spent some money, installed the Mcarbo full kit (springs, guide rod, trigger pin) shoots even better now... BUT I just dont feel as if my trigger reset is strong enough. I started my shooting obsession years and years ago on a glock 17, then went too a M&P, then just before the CZ I had a p320. From what I can remember all those 3 had a very positive trigger reset and would almost allow a faster follow up due to it.

I dont know anyone else that has this platform so I cant compare, hopefully another owner can chime in on this. The Mcarbo kit did come with a lighter trigger spring, which I'm debating on returning to factory just too test, I just find it confusing about the things I read about how great this feels after the kit install, which it does feel good, but just not what I'm use too and or maybe there is something wrong.

Thanks in advance

Brandon
 
Change it back to the factory spring and see how you like with the all the other things you changed. You get a heavier pull and a stronger reset, however the reset when dry firing vs live fire putting the gun into SA is really what counts.
 
Are you after a strong ‘click’ as you release the trigger after a shot, to tell you when you can pull the trigger again?

If so, consider ditching that idea, and instead, reset/prep the trigger under recoil. So after a shot, as the gun comes back down on target in the second half of the recoil segment, you’ve already released the trigger enough for it to reset, and then you start to take up the slack and get to the wall as the gun settles for the next shot.
 
jimbo14 said:
Are you after a strong ‘click’ as you release the trigger after a shot, to tell you when you can pull the trigger again?

If so, consider ditching that idea, and instead, reset/prep the trigger under recoil. So after a shot, as the gun comes back down on target in the second half of the recoil segment, you’ve already released the trigger enough for it to reset, and then you start to take up the slack and get to the wall as the gun settles for the next shot.
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Sorry I didnt explain that but no, it definitely has a positive click for a reset, it just feels dead when releasing until that audible click... I hope that makes sense haha

Brandon
 
ILLICI7 said:
Sorry I didnt explain that but no, it definitely has a positive click for a reset, it just feels dead when releasing until that audible click... I hope that makes sense haha

Brandon
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Ahhh... yes. I agree that if you still don’t like it after live fire, you’ll want to put the factory trigger return spring back in then. It may be what you’re after.
 
ILLICI7 said:
Picked up a SP01 tactical (first venture into SA/DA/decocker) a bit ago, shot great out of the box, spent some money, installed the Mcarbo full kit (springs, guide rod, trigger pin) shoots even better now... BUT I just dont feel as if my trigger reset is strong enough. I started my shooting obsession years and years ago on a glock 17, then went too a M&P, then just before the CZ I had a p320. From what I can remember all those 3 had a very positive trigger reset and would almost allow a faster follow up due to it.

I dont know anyone else that has this platform so I cant compare, hopefully another owner can chime in on this. The Mcarbo kit did come with a lighter trigger spring, which I'm debating on returning to factory just too test, I just find it confusing about the things I read about how great this feels after the kit install, which it does feel good, but just not what I'm use too and or maybe there is something wrong.

Thanks in advance

Brandon
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I have run across this a few times in some of the CZs and I found it is because of the Trigger Bar Spring being too strong to allow a weaker Trigger Spring to function. An easy fix for this is to very slightly bend the Trigger Bar Spring downward to relieve some of the tension and you will be good to go.
 
Update, installed the factory trigger spring in, got a definite feel back when dry firing, went to the range and blasted off 300 rounds, feels way better and allowed me to 'feel' the travel back to reset.

That being said.... is there really any point at all for this Mcarbo spring kit? I could maybe see the less stronger hammer spring needing the others too function, but I'm back at square one with the weight of the trigger pull.

Possible bad spring? Or just a personal preference issue.

Brandon
 
Alon said:
I have run across this a few times in some of the CZs and I found it is because of the Trigger Bar Spring being too strong to allow a weaker Trigger Spring to function. An easy fix for this is to very slightly bend the Trigger Bar Spring downward to relieve some of the tension and you will be good to go.
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Mcarbo also asked me to try this, I just wanted to rule something else out before permanently deforming a spring.. haha I just may have to try now.

Thanks!!

Brandon
 
As I said before, consider resetting the trigger under recoil, then you may not care if the trigger feels ‘dead’, because you won’t even notice. :) Being a slow live fire ‘click-banger’, as JJ Racaza calls what you’re doing, is quite different from shooting faster as you alluded to in your first post. Not sure what your goals are, so it’s hard to give better advice.

A lot of the feel of this is personal preference. You have the pieces to play with, so keep fiddling and find what you prefer. Be careful bending the trigger bar spring though. If you ruin it, replacing it is annoying because the screw holding it is staked in place in my Shadow; probably the same for your gun.
 
jimbo14 said:
As I said before, consider resetting the trigger under recoil, then you may not care if the trigger feels ‘dead’, because you won’t even notice. :) Being a slow live fire ‘click-banger’, as JJ Racaza calls what you’re doing, is quite different from shooting faster as you alluded to in your first post. Not sure what your goals are, so it’s hard to give better advice.

A lot of the feel of this is personal preference. You have the pieces to play with, so keep fiddling and find what you prefer. Be careful bending the trigger bar spring though. If you ruin it, replacing it is annoying because the screw holding it is staked in place in my Shadow; probably the same for your gun.
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Yeh precisely why I have not chosen that route yet.

As for resetting under recoil I get that your saying, the slow live fire click banger your alluding too is what I'm trying to avoid. Im guessing what I'm doing is just letting my finger go dead until a click is heard..? Lol but being suck with a weak return it's got me all flustered. Just typing that out and saying it in my head leads me to believe I'm being lazy... lol sh*t.

I'll give it another 500 rounds, hopefully I can get use too it.

Thanks for the advice/tips though guys.

Brandon
 
Lol!

I actively move my trigger finger toward the front of the gun. Not tons, because my reset is crazy short, and maybe that’s something else for you to consider. Not sure what options you have with a shorter disconnector that’ll work in your gun.

Check out this video. JJ will discuss it in his own words:

 
Big JD-From the hills said:
Not sure why you would get the tactical version, than try to tune the reliability out of it hahaha.
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There's always that one guy.. and here he is..

Here are a few simple answers to answer your comment:
1. its mine, not yours
2. Because I can
3. Why not?
4. Who says it's not reliable anymore? You?
5. Just springs, can always revert back
6. We live in canada... no need for life or death reliability in a pistol

Dont take my answer too harshly, I'm just messin with ya now.

Brandon
 
I'm pretty sure that the trigger bar spring is not even riding the 2 bottom tiny 'grooves' on the bottom of the trigger bar properly. I would separate the frame from slide, remove the grips, turn the frame upside down to get a good look at the trigger bar spring riding the trigger bar grooves. Most likely one side of the spring is not situated within the grooves properly. Try looking at it while pulling the trigger slightly back and forth. You'll need a flashlight to really get a good look in there.
 
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