Why is it the varmint is not known as being significantly more accurate than the regular sized tube cz 22's? I would have thought the bull barrel would increase accuracy at least marginally. Maybe their is a lot of info on this all ready, just haven't been able to find it.
cz varmint vs.regular cz 22
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Its probably just a matter of speculation, but the standard CZ is so well made that increasing the barrel thickness does nothing more for it. A higher quality barrel might improve on accuracy, but simply a thicker one isn't a big deal on a cartridge that doesn't stress a barrel (with heat or pressure) much to begin with.
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The earlier Varmints used a dovetailed takedown bolt part way down the barrel and one at the action, whereas the American and others have 2 takedown bolts at the action with the barrel freefloated. The Varmint I had was accurate, but inconsistant. One day it would be great, the next day I'd have to mess with the torque on the screws. I put it in a Boyds stock and only used the rear takedown bolt, and bedded the action. It was then scary accurate, and consistant too. I understand the newer 455 is bedded the same as the others now, so I would assume this issue is resolved. JMO.
The earlier Varmints used a dovetailed takedown bolt part way down the barrel and one at the action, whereas the American and others have 2 takedown bolts at the action with the barrel freefloated. The Varmint I had was accurate, but inconsistant. One day it would be great, the next day I'd have to mess with the torque on the screws. I put it in a Boyds stock and only used the rear takedown bolt, and bedded the action. It was then scary accurate, and consistant too. I understand the newer 455 is bedded the same as the others now, so I would assume this issue is resolved. JMO.
thanks 10mark, even the little cz scout the boys shoot is very barrel sensitive, if you rest the barrel on anything while shooting gophers you have to hollar fourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr through a bull horn. didn't know the bull barrels were the same. Have an older one I'd like to play with to see how accurate I can get it to shoot.
My son has a 452 and it is very accurate and I think more than good enough for most shooting. The best thing is it seems to be accurate no matter what ammo it is fed. We have never tried expensive target ammo and although it might make a difference it would only be slight I am sure. I took it out the other day and it is always consistently accurate to the point of boring at times.
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I bought a Scout for my youngest son, I find it very accurate, again it has the 2 bolts in the action. For what its worth, resting any gun on the barrel will make it shoot bad. I found the Varmint too heavy for my liking, too heavy to carry around for any length of time. Sold it to a friend, he loves it.
I bought a Scout for my youngest son, I find it very accurate, again it has the 2 bolts in the action. For what its worth, resting any gun on the barrel will make it shoot bad. I found the Varmint too heavy for my liking, too heavy to carry around for any length of time. Sold it to a friend, he loves it.
I had the exact same question a few years ago and a fine fellow from the USA sent me some leather shims he had made that go above the screw in the middle of the stock. Turned this rifle from a good CZ shooter into a one hole rifle. All of my CZ's are dependably accurate with the American Eagle 38gr HP ammo, comes in 40 round boxes and 400 round bricks. FS
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I read about this somewhere. So the leather shim goes on the screw/bolt, between the stock and the barrel?
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I agree with this, but with a .22 lr bullet travelling 1280 fps down the bore, I doubt if much heat is generated, specially with the shot spacing from bolt actions.
The regular profiled barrel on my CZ Style hardly heats up at all. Accuracy of my Style and Varmint is the same at 100 meters with the same ammo (cheap winchester dynapoints). I think action bolt/screw tightness and/or stock bedding will have more effect on accuracy than barrel weight.
IMO, a heavy barrel is a marketing gimmick on .22 rifles. A heavy barrel is needed on high-power calibers due to the phenomenon called whipping where the barrel actually flexes and whips, as 150 + grain bullets at 2,700 + fps travel down the bore and spun by the rifling. So a heavier barrel will reduce whipping as it is more rigid.
40 grainers at 1280 fps from .22lr cartridges will not generate enough torque/power to whip the skinniest .22 barrel, IMO only of course.
I think it boils down to aestetics and balance. Also all the renouned expensive target rifles are heavy barrelled, so it could just be a marketing gimmic.
90 percent of shooting a rimfire is generally mental and the hardest to control day to day so its easy to blame the equipment.
I think the true way to get the most out of any cz rifle other then ammo testing is fixing the stock trigger first and foremost.
I don't think the true debatable questions like barrel thickness and length will ever be won, there is optimum barrel lenghts as your only burning so much powder and after that its just friction robbing you of velocity but longer barrels tend to be more accurate??? go figure. Then you get into choked barrels that add to the friction, barrel tuners that turn your hair grey and wind flags that consistantly lie.................
90 percent of shooting a rimfire is generally mental and the hardest to control day to day so its easy to blame the equipment.
I think the true way to get the most out of any cz rifle other then ammo testing is fixing the stock trigger first and foremost.
I don't think the true debatable questions like barrel thickness and length will ever be won, there is optimum barrel lenghts as your only burning so much powder and after that its just friction robbing you of velocity but longer barrels tend to be more accurate??? go figure. Then you get into choked barrels that add to the friction, barrel tuners that turn your hair grey and wind flags that consistantly lie.................
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I just ordered what is probably the last few 453 .22LR CZ Varmints new with the set trigger. I've also owned an American and still own a 452 Lux in .22LR. The American was accurate with the yodave kit, but I wanted the heavier barrel and beefed up stock. The Lux has the barrel stud and single action screw like the Varmint 452's. The Americans and 453 Varmint has the two action screws with free floated barrels.
The problem with shimming that barrel stud is you're creating a small gap under the action. Best to bed the area and free float the front part of the barrel. Some guys remove the barrel stud altogether. I'd only play with that if you're having accuracy problems. The 453 Varmint eliminates all that by using two action screws instead.
I like the Lux as an offhand iron sighted rifle. The stock seems perfect for that. With a scope it will shoot 1" groups sometimes @ 100 yds. and yodave kit set at 1 lb pull, but to me needs a cheekpiece for scope shooting.
I'll do a test report when the 453 arrives. Looking forward to finally owning a set trigger version of a CZ rimfire.
The problem with shimming that barrel stud is you're creating a small gap under the action. Best to bed the area and free float the front part of the barrel. Some guys remove the barrel stud altogether. I'd only play with that if you're having accuracy problems. The 453 Varmint eliminates all that by using two action screws instead.
I like the Lux as an offhand iron sighted rifle. The stock seems perfect for that. With a scope it will shoot 1" groups sometimes @ 100 yds. and yodave kit set at 1 lb pull, but to me needs a cheekpiece for scope shooting.
I'll do a test report when the 453 arrives. Looking forward to finally owning a set trigger version of a CZ rimfire.
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You sound like a .22 rimfire benchrest shooter.
I bought my varmint primarily for the looks of the heavy barrel as well.
After spending the time to properly tune the set trigger though, I would not hesitate to grab another 453, particularly with the more scarce fluted barrel.
Also, the heavy barrel CZ's come without open sights, which I consider a plus when the rifle is guaranteed to wear a scope.
After spending the time to properly tune the set trigger though, I would not hesitate to grab another 453, particularly with the more scarce fluted barrel.
Also, the heavy barrel CZ's come without open sights, which I consider a plus when the rifle is guaranteed to wear a scope.
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the varmint model I tried was as accurate as my silhouette model. Except the trigger my rifle has a Yodave kit, much better. Accuracy wise, out of the box, no difference save style , looks, balance.
price difference?I dunno.
price difference?I dunno.
I owned a CZ452 Varmint. It shot like a house of fire. Turkish walnut drove me crazy knowing and seeing a couple of safe 'dings' on the buttstock. I like the shorter tactical style barrel, but the CZ452 Style caught my eye and now the Varmint is gone. Style replaced it and shoots really almost as well, I cannot hold them steady enough.
You cannot go wrong with either one. I really like the Style and the black plastic stock...
Whatever floats yer boat! I also nailed over 200 gophers in SK Safari last summer. That is , using the CZ452 Style!
Cheers,
Barney
You cannot go wrong with either one. I really like the Style and the black plastic stock...
Whatever floats yer boat!
I also nailed over 200 gophers in SK Safari last summer. That is , using the CZ452 Style! Cheers,
Barney
