CZ858 order confirmation e-mails?

if the liberals win they WILL go prohib they look to scarey

so all you guys with your knock of (of a real military rifle) nonrestricted version will be in the same boat as all of us who own ak47's and variants cant use them :cry:





when someone gets thiers we can end this we NEED pics of the reciever and the bolt/carrier
 
Norcyaddict762 said:
History of the Samopal Vzor 58. Modeled after the AK47 that was being forced on the Czechs when Russia took them over in 1948, the Czechs took the design concepts. It is NOT a direct copy of the AK-47, obviously. CZ/VZ58 was ment for infantry and light armored vehicle destruction. ( so it is modeled after the AK in that it has simular features, same M43 round 7.62x39mm and is rugged by design...etc ) thats it.
I have seen this history of the rifle in several gun books ( world arms) authour not sure of..

Let me rephrase the quote, I heard this througth the grape vine ( city cops) that it is possible that it MIGHT go prohib because of a few "so called reasons". I hope not!!! I hope it is a bogus call!! If you doubt that the RCMP will reclass stuff just see what they did to the G22. "oops I made a mistake" NO ALARM YET!
Sorry to ruin your fun!
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The RCMP can't reclass a BB gun, let alone a firearm. It takes an order in Council. The G22 is not classed prohib, the bullpup stock is. ;) There is no "grey area" where the VZ is concerned. To be banned it would have to be NAMED in an order of council. Also, from what I can determine, the power to create grandfathering lists no longer exists, so prohibiting new weapons would result in either seizure or a buy-back. For political reasons I doubt they'd risk seizure. :wink:
 
Norcyaddict762 said:
Let me rephrase the quote, I heard this througth the grape vine ( city cops) that it is possible that it MIGHT go prohib because of a few "so called reasons". I hope not!!! I hope it is a bogus call!! If you doubt that the RCMP will reclass stuff just see what they did to the G22. "oops I made a mistake" NO ALARM YET!
Sorry to ruin your fun!
:oops: :cry:
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Sounds like a load of Bollocks to me................
 
YA but I was told the RCMP firearms expert made an error on the G22 so this ended up in the prohib. It was reclassed as prohib when I asked if they were sure about it. it was just the stock but I guess not from what they were saying? Anyway the CZ858-2 and Cz/VZ58 comment made by the city cops was probably bogus. I got a strange feeling like I better share the comment with you guys. SORRY


:oops: I just hope "enought" people buy these guns or they indeed will go soon or later! :roll:
 
Thamok said:
Geez - sounds like the big AR-15 and AR-180B scare tactic advertising campaign all over again.

Buy it now! they will ban it! Gimmie your cash it'll be banned... some never learn.
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That being said, anyone who doesn't own a VZ or an AR are missing out :)

Both very fun guns that you SHOULD own! (but not because they may or may not be ever banned).
 
ok :oops: Sorry. scare tactic it wasn't. I was just sharing what i heard. Sorry for making sound like a tacitc! :oops:

Ya Claven it is TOO FUN not to fire !! It brings shooting to a new level of cool!8) Plus all the modification you could potentially do to it to make it even better!! :D
 
Man, what a tough room!

Norcyaddict shares what he has heard from a police officer, no less, and you
guys jump all over him. He was just trying to be helpful!

At least his source was the police. Yes, they are wrong sometimes, but the
police have more credibility as a source than a lot of what passes for "knowledge" around here via Bill's uncle's barber's babysitter.

Sometimes, I feel all the anti-gun people will have to do is sit back and watch us tear ourselves apart.

Thanks Norcyaddict for sharing your info. :D

SB
 
I was just interested in the source & details behind NorcyAddicts' post, and he's kindly provided them.

Off topic, but regarding the G22, my ATI request for all the RCMP documentation is going nowhere, and I suspect it has been stopped for political reasons. Illegal political interference is rampant when it comes to ATI requests. I am about to file an official complaint with the Information Commissioner, and we'll see what sort of legal action is possible (if necessary) to force disclosure. I don't believe the RCMP records will support the reclassification, and I expect it will be almost impossible to get the records without a lot of effort.
 
Thank you smoothbore :D

Alright I, will lay off the I heard "####" but will give one reason why what was said: DON'T SHOOT ME ADMINS! and others... here it goes.

The officer took a look at the trigger and welded block and said it was immediately (deadly) obvious that it was a converted auto there IS also old bits of the 2nd trigger still in the gun that could be rewelded to reconvert it back into the gun it was before the mod. Also the selector switch is 100% intact and can potentially be use in an illegal fashion. "What ever the #### that means" anyway.." A selector is a selector, it is a switch.. without the parts it is a useless inert object.

, So this is one reason why the officer said what he said. I know the RCMP firearms inspectors allowed these into the country and it is their responsiblity but recently we know that they can't do this properly either!

:shock:
 
You should tell your gunsmith RCMP officer friend with the Mechanical Engineering degree to go brush up on his textbooks. The VZ is about as "easy" to convert back to FA as a Remmy 7400 is :roll:

Also, "legally" it is not a converted auto as "the receivers were never assembled into FA guns at the factory".

I swear to god, most LEO's I've met as some of the LEST knowledgeable ppl when it comes to the Firearms Act and guns in general. Seriously! :shock:
 
ok, I am also thinking what you are thinking Claven2 and Boomer686. LEO's are pretty ignorant of the firearms act yes I will say this.

Oh, and this officer is NOT RCMP .. he is City Police ( think I metioned that) and no he isn't a friend either. Just someone who wants one but is somehow under the impression somehow that they may go prohib. Thats all.

Your first statemant claven2 I cannot comment in any detail on, other than the rifle you are reffering to uses a hammer, whereas striker fired (ie CZ/VZ58) are a whole different ball game.
I think you'll see what I mean if you take a good look at the the old disconnector. :?
 
I know what you're saying, but to reconvert a VZ to select fire as originally designed would require welding inside the receiver along with considerable time on the mill. Then you would have to have the mising FA parts. Finally, the welds you made would likely require the entire receiver to be re-heat treated if you expect a margin of safety and reliability when using it.

To me, this puts conversion to FA in the realm of "not easily converted" with respect to the firearms act.

I think the intent of the FA is that you can't convert a gun by either removing or dropping in a few parts, tightening a scew, and voila! Alas, until it's tested in court we are not left with a firm definition, only "the spirit" of the law :roll: That being said, the RCMP weapons lab has examined the VZ58S and seemed acceptable for importation and sale. That will be proof enough to any judge :wink:

Honestly, IMHO, I think the Ruger mini 14 has a better chance of being banned and confiscated than the VZ58S does. The mini "slaughteres defenceless college women", not the VZ... :roll: (yes, I know how flawed that statement is... I'm being sarcastic)
 
Boomer686 said:
Claven2 said:
I swear to god, most LEO's I've met as some of the LEST knowledgeable ppl when it comes to the Firearms Act and guns in general.
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+1. A lot are ignorant of the details.

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Sadly, many PD's and agencies specifically weed out any candidates who demonstrate any interest whasoever in firearms.

I would rather if they recruited sports shooters and ex military and the like because, IMHO, if an LEO is going to be called upon to save my ass during a robbery or home invasion or whatever, I want to know he has a well maintained firearm and the trigger time to use it properly.

It seems strange that someone who has to wear a handgun strapped to his belt every day 9-5 should not be interested in learning about guns, but it's a crazy PC world we live in... :evil:
 
Scarecrow said:
Some members here have been around for years and we hear this banned #### so much its annoying.
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Too true. They said they were going to ban Airsoft like when I got in many years ago, and its still around.

I think gunshops start the rumor, so they can coax people in buying guns before they get "banned" When they arn't. Sounds like something they would do.


"OMG you gotta buy an AR15, before they Prohib them"
"OH Crap I do"
"$1795 Please :S"
 
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