czech and hungarian 7.62x54r

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can someone share his experience on the czech and hungarian 7.62x54r?

i've shot the hungarian ones in my M91 and i found that they were not very accurate. also, i found it hard to lock/unlocked the bolt with the ammo in it (i was thinking it might be not enough headspace but there was no pre-mature fire). it is my first time shooting this; so, it could be me...

for the czech stuff, will the lacquer gum up the chamber so that it's going to fail to eject?

i have shot czech lacquered 7.62x39 in VZ and SKS and no FTE during a session. on the other hand, i have shot czech lacquered 7.62x25TT in T54-1 and there were a few FTE during a session.

so, i wonder if the lacquered stuffs behave differently in different guns?
 
I've shot about 40-50 of the hungarian through the m44 and can't comment on the accuracy. It does seem to be a little difficult to extract though. I'm collecting my ingman brass to reload once I have over a hundred I'll just be sticking to reloads.

I did by some more of the milsurp stuff today from sir though so go figure.
 
I have both the Czech and the Hungarian 7.62 X 54R. I find they both shoot OK as far as average surplus ammo goes but the smell of the Hungarian when it fires is enough to make me gag. I have no idea what they use for powder but you will notice a huge difference in smell when you shoot both of them.
They are both corrosive so have a hot kettle of water handy after the shoot.
 
Here is a short summary of my experiences with Czech and Hungarian ammo, this is actually all of my 7.62x54 experience.

Hungarian yellow tip (174 grain?) purchased from SIR

Updated 1926 Dragoon 91/30 - Very accurate with no FTF. Standard sticky bolt syndrome that improves with time and cleaning of the chamber.

1941 M39 - Accurate and some minor sticky bolt syndrome. Brake cleaner and a 20 guage bore brush on the power drill improved it. Still a little hard after she gets hot though.

1941 SVT 40 - Accurate but lots of fail to eject problems, even when the regulator was set at the highest setting.

Hungarian Light Ball in stripper clips purchased from districorp.ca

Updated 1926 Dragoon 91/30 - Accurate with no misfires.

1941 M39 - Accurate, some misfires though. Approximately 3 rounds out of 30 misired and 1 fired upon recocking and trying again. Firing pin was checked.

1941 SVT 40 - Accurate, ejected every time. No problems

This ammunition was a little dirtier than the other stuff. It was really visible puffing out of the SVT 40 muzzle brake and cleaning afterwards. The stripper clips are a plus. They are hit and miss, most work a few don't and some are tougher than others to push in. Seems to depend more on the clip than the rifle. It also come packed in cardboard boxes that are wrapped in a heavy paper tthat is dipped in tar. The tar slightly stained a ceramic tiles on my basement bar. The wife didn't put 2+2 together so it's all good for now.

The Hungarian stuff does have a different odour, not real bad though.

Czech light ball purchsed from Marstar

Updated 1926 Dragoon 91/30 - Only put a few through her because I am afraid of gumming her up with the lacquer. Accurate and clean firing. I think it would be okay for casual plinking if you let the rifle cool down between shots, not much fun in that though. ;)

1941 M39 - Accurate and clean, no appreciable stickiness.

1941 SVT 40 - Accurate and clean, she functions like a dream with it. My ammo of choice for the SVT 40 because the regulator only needs to be at 1.3 IIRC.

The Czech also gets bonus points for cool factor because of the mean look and the neato crate :cool: .


When I say "accurate I mean I generally hit what I'm aiming at. I shoot standing up and I am by no means an expert marksman. I am as skilled as any Sask. farm boy with 20 years of varmint hunting experience. I couldn't tell you about groups, I haven't had the opportunity or inclination to shoot paper yet with my 7.62x54R toys.
 
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I find that the Hungarian light ball is very dirty stuff and much harder to clean than the czech stuff (especially in an SVT). That being said, i have never had any ftf's with the hungarian and have never had any with the czech either but my nagant and svt prefer the hungarian as far as extraction goes. However, I have noticed that the hungarian can be reasonably difficult to extract at times in my nagant (and I dont have the sticky bolt prob either).
 
muh-muh-muh-mauser said:
I find that the Hungarian light ball is very dirty stuff and much harder to clean than the czech stuff (especially in an SVT). That being said, i have never had any ftf's with the hungarian and have never had any with the czech either but my nagant and svt prefer the hungarian as far as extraction goes. However, I have noticed that the hungarian can be reasonably difficult to extract at times in my nagant (and I dont have the sticky bolt prob either).
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X2 ;)
 
What is wrong with Mosins? How did a weapon like this go through 2 world wars when cheap Hungarian brass or Czech laquered steel can gum up the action? Did they always have nice premium brass for smooth extraction in the USSR?
 
Unregistered said:
What is wrong with Mosins? How did a weapon like this go through 2 world wars when cheap Hungarian brass or Czech laquered steel can gum up the action? Did they always have nice premium brass for smooth extraction in the USSR?
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Who said there was anything wrong w/ mosins? I enjoy mine a great deal and am only stating a fact; that mine occasionally has trouble extracting the spent case.
 
The Mosin "sticky bolt" is caused by a layer of cosmoline that has turned into a varnish on the bolt and the chamber. This cosmoline varnish is very difficult to remove. I have found that a mosin will appear perfectly clean and without a trace of oil on the chamber or bolt. Fire 10 - 15 rounds quickly so the rifle heats up and a layer of oil appears in the chamber. This is the cosmo varnish melting. Wipe it out and repeat and a few aggressive cleanings afterwards and the "sticky bolt" pretty well dissapears.

The point is that when the Russian/Soviet infantryman was using it there would have been no sticky bolt because the guns weren't cosmo'ed until after combat.
 
I remember when you could get Russian 7.62x54r from Century Arms. It was clean, but very dark brass cased (maybe not even brass?). It was going for $119/1000. Packed loose paper wrapped 15rd bundles. No sticky bolt even when we pumped 300rds per rifle through the three Nagants and two SVT40's on a really hot day. Yep, that was a good day.....sigh

I still have some of the brass and it is dated 1945 and 1946.
 
I was on a Dragunov site when I saw that they had got Wolf to produce some high quality 7.62/54 that cost about half what premium costs. Now if they would only do the same with 303 british.
 
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