D***ned "prohib." barrel length!

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I was idly thinking that it would be nice to have a classic S&W Model 10 HB, but of course I can't because the bbl. is 4" (102mm) and I don't have 12.6. Then I noticed the Model 64, which appears to be basically the same thing in SS. It doesn't have a 102mm barrel; no, it has a 4.15"/104.77mm barrel for "state compliance.":bangHead:

You have to wonder, when they already make 4.25"/108mm models, why they didn't just stick with that. (Not that Canadian sales themselves would warrant it, of course.)
 
Gotta love arbitrary numbers... Same thing for the "18.5". The then government could have at least looked at what was available in the US, and make it either 16/18/20 for NR status (with my wishes going to 16" lol)

We all know that the lesser the barrel length, the more dangerous it is. /s
 
There is something I don't understand about the barrel length for revolvers.

In a pistol, the length of the chamber is included in the calculation for barrel length, but it is not in revolvers. Seems to me like revolvers' barrel length are unfairly measured shorter than they should be.

It is just me that finds this odd?
 
I’ve always said it’s not the barrel length but the butt that affects concealability. Easier to hide a 4.25” 1911 than a 2.5” N frame. But I’m no gun expert so what do I know.

Sorry about your M-10 dilemma, OP.

Here’s a couple of K frames to cheer you up...maybe?

One is a M-13 and the other is a 547 9mm. And, yes, it uses speedloaders and not moon clips!



 
We all know that the lesser the barrel length, the more dangerous it is.
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Oh, yes. I have a Ruger SR9, with a 105.7mm barrel and you have no idea how much temptation I have to resist not to stick it in my waistband and go to the local Timmy's around 11:30pm and clean them out of donut holes. If it were just that wee bit shorter......:eek: well, think of the children!

Is it just me that finds this odd?
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Nope. You and every other law-abiding handgun owner in Canada.

I’ve always said it’s not the barrel length but the butt that affects concealability. Easier to hide a 4.25” 1911 than a 2.5” N frame. But I’m no gun expert so what do I know.
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Or my nicely-rounded Ruger SR9 than a Luger with a 100mm pointy barrel. But no, what do we know? We're just a bunch of Mark Holland's "thugs", and "law-abiding until we're not", according to Pam Damoff. The fact that we have no reason to conceal a handgun is obviously irrelevant.
 
josquin said:
Oh, yes. I have a Ruger SR9, with a 105.7mm barrel and you have no idea how much temptation I have to resist not to stick it in my waistband and go to the local Timmy's around 11:30pm and clean them out of donut holes. If it were just that wee bit shorter......:eek: well, think of the children!
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105.7mm? Bring it to an armourer when the barrel's warm/hot.... that heat expansion should cover you for the missing .31mm ;)
 
I know your pain OP. I was recently offered (for free) a 1914 Mauser pistol. It even had a cool story attached to it. .

I was so excited until I researched it. It was prohib due to barrel. I cursed out the liberals that day
 
The regulation was specifically worded that way to deliberately exclude all the ex-police guns from all over the world out there on the market and going extremely cheap. Century Arms was selling some European police and military handguns for as little as $50 bucks.

The government had to stop that.

At the same time it allowed the government to destroy police and military firearms that they were getting ready to dispose of rather then sell them.
 
105.7mm is restricted length, and heat expansion don't fly, tried that one time for the hell of it with a s-w 19, 104.8-9mm cold , hot as hell 105.mm.
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105.7mm? Bring it to an armourer when the barrel's warm/hot.... that heat expansion should cover you for the missing .31mm ;)
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I was in the same boat. I wanted a Model 10 with the heavy barrel for years after owning a Model 10 with the 5 inch thin barrel. Then I picked up this little beauty. Model 10-8 heavy barrel with a .25 inch barrel extension making it restricted. The work is well done and I get the pleasure knowing that this revolver was saved from prohib hell. The funny thing is with the new knife rules by the CBSA the knife in the pic is now prohib....lol

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That's amazing. I thought that barrel extensions "didn't count" but perhapss if they are permanent it's OK?. Presumably the extension isn't rifled?
 
tharkhold said:
Gotta love arbitrary numbers... Same thing for the "18.5". The then government could have at least looked at what was available in the US, and make it either 16/18/20 for NR status (with my wishes going to 16" lol)

We all know that the lesser the barrel length, the more dangerous it is. /s
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The reason for the 18.5" barrel length was to put the M1 carbine with it's 18" barrel into the restricted class.
This was back when many carbines were available and further, some of them were actually M2's with
the selector switches removed.
 
colinjw said:
The reason for the 18.5" barrel length was to put the M1 carbine with it's 18" barrel into the restricted class.
This was back when many carbines were available and further, some of them were actually M2's with
the selector switches removed.
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I have heard that several times over the years. Is there any actual proof of that or is it just the popular assumption?
 
josquin said:
That's amazing. I thought that barrel extensions "didn't count" but perhapss if they are permanent it's OK?. Presumably the extension isn't rifled?
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The extension is rifled actually. I bought this off a fellow member when it popped up on the EE. I have seen a few like this over the years. I am not sure of the process but it is welded on and permanent. Beautiful work to. Except for the slight discoloration you can't even see the weld. I am sure someone else like Murray Charlton Gunsmithing would know how it's done. I am just glad whoever paid to have this done saved it from prohib status. I am actually thinking about seeing if I can get another one done like this. I am sure it's expensive but if it saves another revolver from eventual destruction I think it's worth it.
 
You can put a extension like that, the rules haven't changed, BUT the barrel has to be drilled out and full length liner installed, the problem arises at the forcing cone if you shoot heavy loads, 38 sp seems fine, 357, the forcing cone splits
Years ago, people where welding flash hiders on M1 carbines, good for a few years , them the Fed's changed the rules on that and weld on extensions not legal any more, forget when, some one here will know what year.
 
I feel your pain. I had a line on a nice cheap Model 13 HB. Tried to find a Model 14 barrel to have chopped down to 4.2” but the only one I could find was more than the revolver itself. Sadly the guy couldn’t find any buyers for conversions so he had them all deactivated.

I did pick up a blued Ruger Security Six 6” barrel for a good price. Now I just need to find a Service Six so I can put together my ideal revolver.
 
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