D4064 now available, 5lbs/$130
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You need both anyway.
It's just likely barely out of the acceptance spectrum for IMR4064...burn rate a touch faster.
Definitely work up from IMR4064 start data, but should be easy to find a load. If I can replace Varget ($280/8lbs) with this stuff I will be a happy camper.
They don't carry every powder. I believe they only carry powders that they use in their own reloads. So My guess is we'll soon see reloaded canam 223.
Also, they can only have powders made in canada (due to shipping price on australian powders). So there are clones of 700X, 800X, IMR4198 and now IMR4064, but don't expect varget or H4895.
Also, they can only have powders made in canada (due to shipping price on australian powders). So there are clones of 700X, 800X, IMR4198 and now IMR4064, but don't expect varget or H4895.
General Dynamics operates two factories. All IMR Stick powders are made in Canada in Quebec, and ball powders are made in St Marks Florida.
I'm pretty sure these are IMR powders but just "factory seconds"?
Not factory seconds at all. You need to know what the term "canister grade" means to understand what this powder is. Canam advertises that this is not canister grade powder.
"Canister grade" powder basically powder that it is specifically made for sale to reloaders - different lots will be very close to the same burn characteristics with minor differences between lots. It takes more effort to make powder that is uniform batch-after-batch, and some batches might not meet the criteria. The reason that powder for sale to reloaders needs to be very uniform is that it needs to match the data that is published.
The powder manufacturers also make "commercial grade" powder that is made to be within a specific range of burn characteristics, and these powders are what is used to make commercial and military cartridges. They make large lots of a powder. If the burn rate is 5% faster than the previous batch it doesn't matter, they will just adjust the powder charge in the loaded cartridge accordingly. Being faster or slower from previous batches doesn't matter as much as it does with canister grade powder. So no - it's not factory seconds at all.
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^^This. Plus, there wouldn't even be enough "factory seconds" to fill an order of the size canam makes. These orders are by multiple of 50k pounds.
They would use the 4198 version for 223, far more economical.
These are IMR Canada powders, we know that. Call them "fast lots" or "seconds" or "overruns" from special orders, that I don't know specifically. (Jethunter addressed it anove).
It's good quality powder, and 4064 is pretty close in burn rate to RL15 and Varget.
I've never used 4064, or any non-canister powder, but at that price..
Is the lot# different with each order they get in? If so, is it the same for a given batch they have in stock?
Do you "buy it cheap and stack it deep" just to get powder from the same lot?
Is the lot# different with each order they get in? If so, is it the same for a given batch they have in stock?
Do you "buy it cheap and stack it deep" just to get powder from the same lot?
I recall Canam stating they can sell a 30lb keg all the same lot#.
You can ask them in their forum, thread there already.
I don't worry about lot# too much, I can generally figure out the burn rate close enough with 10 rounds over a chrony, and adjust accordingly.
Free shipping over $200...
They also have good large rifle primers for $29/1000 if you need to top it up.
https://www.canadaammo.com/product/...arms-non-corrosive-boxer-large-rifle-primers/
I don't have any of those fancy electromatronic shootin' aides
I'll ask. It could mean the difference between getting one jug or two at a time
Chrony is really only necessary if you are chasing max loads. You can still work up accurate loads and keep an eye on physical pressure signs. My bughole 308 load is 42.5g Varget with a 168gr bthp, that's basically start data or slightly under depending on which manual you look at. I'll try 39-41gr of this stuff and hopefully get similar results.
Once I get a good accurate load, I'd make sure to chrony it, and compare it to different lot# down the road with the same charge and adjust charge accordingly to get the same velocity.
Max loads aren't really needed for most applications.
