DA Grizzly 12.5 with folding stock

Juster said:
Could you call the RCMP and tell them I am a criminal? Thanks for the well-informed input. I could use some fun.

Can you read a sentence and infer meaning from it? I don't have any Knoxx stock.

Ignorance of the tape measure is no excuse:
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Anybody else want to tell me you can't have a folding stock on a 12.5" Grizzly??
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I believe people said that IF it measured less than 26" then it would be restricted. You have shown with the measuring tape that it does not.
 
2ndShotCanada said:
Personal insults, and discussion of illegal activities alike. Encouraging someone to delay 29 days with a firearm that could easily land them in legal trouble may, in itself not be illegal, but it's sure as shart highly irresponsible.

To the OP... I put a top folding ATI stock on my 15" barrel grizz and if it weren't for the angle of the pistol grip the overall would be less than 26". It is a FACT that if I were to put the same stock on a 12" or 8" grizz I'd knowingly be in possession of a firearm that no longer met the requirements of being non-restricted. Just because my stock doesn't work it doesn't mean others wouldn't.
I, personally don't think that any LEO would accept the 29 day window policy if you were to be asked even if it may be within the required time to notify the RCMP. The common practice would be to confiscate and you're forced to deal with the headache of the legal system to prove your innocence.
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Now this guy makes sense. I don't want to stand on the side of the road or in my house debating it with a police officer who is going to er on the side of caution and probably confiscate it. Yes you may be able to get it back by spending more than the damn thing is worth.
 
2ndShotCanada said:
Personal insults, and discussion of illegal activities alike. Encouraging someone to delay 29 days with a firearm that could easily land them in legal trouble may, in itself not be illegal, but it's sure as shart highly irresponsible.

To the OP... I put a top folding ATI stock on my 15" barrel grizz and if it weren't for the angle of the pistol grip the overall would be less than 26". It is a FACT that if I were to put the same stock on a 12" or 8" grizz I'd knowingly be in possession of a firearm that no longer met the requirements of being non-restricted. Just because my stock doesn't work it doesn't mean others wouldn't.
I, personally don't think that any LEO would accept the 29 day window policy if you were to be asked even if it may be within the required time to notify the RCMP. The common practice would be to confiscate and you're forced to deal with the headache of the legal system to prove your innocence.
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Reading an comprehension my friend are key, if you bothered to comprehend what I was saying you wouldn't have implied that I was in any way speaking about anything illegal. I simply gave my interpretation of the law as its written to illustrate how "clear" it is. How you got me promoting something illegal out of that is prime example of letting the keyboard do your thinking for you. Instead of reading and COMPREHENDING what your eyes were seeing you simply jumped to a conclusion and conjured up a scenario that suited your dim witted interpretation of what I was trying to illustrate for all to see. Right now you're most likely thinking that I'm an ass and a "retard" but take a moment and re-read what I wrote, then take a few more moments and think about it, then if all else fails and you still feel I was promoting illegal activity grab the phone and join the liberal party to do the thinking for you.
 
You do indeed have 30 days to register your gun as restricted. You just can't take it to the range. I had this discussion with the powers that be, and they say if you take it out of the house you are in possesion of an unregistered restricted firearm amd will be charged. Agree or disagree, that is what I was told and having the shortest possible gun isn't enough of a priority that I feel like putting it to the test. My 8.5 with the fixed magpul stock comes in at 27 1/2

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Just to stir the pot some more... Does that Knox slide back with recoil? If so your measurements might be questioned as would not the added extension not be the same as unfolding the stock?

Juster said:
Could you call the RCMP and tell them I am a criminal? Thanks for the well-informed input. I could use some fun.

Can you read a sentence and infer meaning from it? I don't have any Knoxx stock.

Ignorance of the tape measure is no excuse:
Grizfold3.jpg


Anybody else want to tell me you can't have a folding stock on a 12.5" Grizzly??
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Ok so here i am exceptionally confused...mind you it doesnt take much. I am also considering putting on boxing gloves before asking this question however here it goes...If someone were to aquire a 6.5" grizzly and take off the fixed stock it comes with and puts an 5/6 position adjustable stock on and it does measure 26" extended will this same firearm remain non-restricted? Or would one have to pin that same adjustable stock? Again the 6.5" firearm was purchased that way and classified non-restricted when purchased new!
Thx ahead of time for any input.
 
Watchout Larry said:
Ok so here am exceptionally confused...mind you it doesnt take much. I am also considering putting on boxing gloves before asking this question however here it goes...If someone were to aquire a 6.5" grizzly and take off the fixed stock it comes with and puts an 5/6 position adjustable stock on and it does measure 26" extended will this same firearm remain non-restricted? Or would one have to pin that same adjustable stock? Again the 6.5" firearm was purchased that way and classified non-restricted when purchased new!
Thx ahead of time for any input.
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If its shortest fireable state is <26"=restricted
 
For all confused; I don't know why this is so hard for everyone...

This is straight from the RCMP website.

DEFINITION OF A PROHIBITED FIREARM:

a handgun that
has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
is less than 660 mm in length, or
is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm


According to my calculations 660mm = 25.984"
if the oal (overall length) of your firearm is less than said above lengths it's prohibited.
Not restricted PROHIBITED!
 
No, it's restricted not prohibited. Changing a stock(or folding one), does not = 'sawing, cutting or any other alteration'
And can be registered as such, many have been and will continue to be.
 
CraigNConnor said:
For all confused; I don't know why this is so hard for everyone...

This is straight from the RCMP website.

DEFINITION OF A PROHIBITED FIREARM:

a handgun that
has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,
a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
is less than 660 mm in length, or
is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,
an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm


According to my calculations 660mm = 25.984"
if the oal (overall length) of your firearm is less than said above lengths it's prohibited.
Not restricted PROHIBITED!
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If that is correct then how can they be selling these shotguns with 12.5" barrels as non-restricted??????
It says the barrel can't be shorter than 457mm which is 17-63⁄64in.
 
LuckyLuc82 said:
Yet another philosopher here guys, "quite clear & criminal code" you sir must be a lawyer cause this here country bunkin could swear that "quite clear" is pretty muddy when it comes to shotguns. I'm sure CANAM will come around shortly and for the BILLIONTH time post the shotgun regs for your city slickers to translate for us.

And to throw another fly in the ointment I would like to bring to your attention that you CAN put a pistol grip on your 12.5 inch shotty and it WILL remain non-restricted, but if you want to leave it on for more than 29 days you have to report it to the CFO so they re-classify it as a restricted, then you will love this, once its a restricted it can't be reclassified as a non-restricted (I'z Thinks). The point I'm trying to make is that simply making it shorter than 660 mm's temporarily doesn't make it a restricted, so all you "FACT" commanders are quite wrong :)

At this point if I was a rapper in a rap battle I would drop my microphone spread my hands and say "school up before you step up, suuuunnnn"
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It can be changed back but you need a firearm verifier to do it they basicly go yep non restricted changing it back is a pain in the rear.
 
Watchout Larry said:
Ok so here i am exceptionally confused...mind you it doesnt take much. I am also considering putting on boxing gloves before asking this question however here it goes...If someone were to aquire a 6.5" grizzly and take off the fixed stock it comes with and puts an 5/6 position adjustable stock on and it does measure 26" extended will this same firearm remain non-restricted? Or would one have to pin that same adjustable stock? Again the 6.5" firearm was purchased that way and classified non-restricted when purchased new!
Thx ahead of time for any input.
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I think you have to pin it to the second position or further out so you lose folding it all the way in.

Here's how it works basicly. If you can fold it and fire the firearm they measure it folded up if you can't fire it folded they measure it unfolded. If it falls under the 26 limit it's restricted mares legs are 25.7 inchs they said .3 of an inch doesn't matter... It does in this case...

If your not sure you can call the CFO at 1 800 731 4000 and ask them they will have people that can look the firearm up and see if someone has put it in restricted before because some people have done that already.
 
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The subject has been beaten to death many times. And it's polluting a dealers section of the forum with all the abrasive comments. It is your responsibility to know the law. If you are in doubt ask people that are truly familiar with the laws not people that feel they are an expert because they know how to use GOOGLE.

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