At the muzzle gas erosion has almost no effect. If it did, the wear would be even & not concentrated in two areas which just happen to be where the rod would contact if a right handed person used a rod with no guide.
Damaging the Bore on your AR from a cleaning rod?
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At the muzzle gas erosion has almost no effect. If it did, the wear would be even & not concentrated in two areas which just happen to be where the rod would contact if a right handed person used a rod with no guide.
I have several muzzle brakes that disagree with you.
while the grit that gets left behind in a bore could act as lapping compound, the amount that you would have to go at a barrel to get the wear you're talking about would be along the lines of absurdity. Not to say someone couldn't do it......but you would essentially have to be trying to do it lol
So I guess if we go back to your original post - yes a cleaning rod could cause wear on a bore, but you will likely have shot out the barrel long before you cause enough wear to damage anything.
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I have mushroomed a steel shaft with a brass punch.
Yes the brass punch took most of the abuse but the steel shaft took a beating too.
I was surprised myself.
I read somewhere that the time it takes for 20,000 bullets to go down a barrel is something like 30 seconds.
We spend much more than 30 seconds cleaning a barrel during its lifetime.
Yes the brass punch took most of the abuse but the steel shaft took a beating too.
I was surprised myself.
I read somewhere that the time it takes for 20,000 bullets to go down a barrel is something like 30 seconds.
We spend much more than 30 seconds cleaning a barrel during its lifetime.
These barrels (especially a Noveske or higher end barrel), are a lot more rugged than people give them credit for. As long as you use a softer metal like aluminum or brass, or spend a little more on a carbon fibre rod. As long as you're not jamming it into the bore at a good angle, it rubbing a little bit will damage your cleaning rod far before the bore.
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BS!! Boresnakes are great if you dont drag the string across the crown like a retard .. Many high level competition and benchrest shooters use boresnakes , these are people who depend on accuracy for their livelihood .. Also bore snakes are more for bore preservation between shooting not real cleaning that can only be done with a rod and copper cutter. Using a rod on a barrel every time after you shoot is stupid , this should be done every 700 to 1000 rounds only. boresnakes are great for in between just to knock the carbon out . .. Fabric will wear steel way less than a soft metal like brass or aluminium .. Ask any gunsmith , the most common cause of premature barrel wear is improper too frequent cleaning rod usage.
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Bolivar
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I think where you really have to be carefully is having the metal at the attachment points of the jag or brush rubbing against the bore. That can cause crown damage, especially on pulling the rod back through.
I honestly do not clean my AR bores very often. A light cleaning with solvent only at the end of the "season". So every 1000 rounds or so. Maybe a couple of passes with a brush but not much. I don't find any degradation in accuracy from not cleaning frequently so why bother. I'm not looking for where my rifle will group on a clean, cold bore. I would rather keep it dirty so I know I am zeroed under normal use conditions with a fouled bore.
I honestly do not clean my AR bores very often. A light cleaning with solvent only at the end of the "season". So every 1000 rounds or so. Maybe a couple of passes with a brush but not much. I don't find any degradation in accuracy from not cleaning frequently so why bother. I'm not looking for where my rifle will group on a clean, cold bore. I would rather keep it dirty so I know I am zeroed under normal use conditions with a fouled bore.
Uh huh and thats your opinion and I gave mine im not going to hijack this thread with another bore snake.vs rod debate
The fact is a bore snake being dragged across the crown if not pulled straight through is terrible for your barrel
My opinion was not to protect the rifling but the crown and most people (read 90%) dont use a bore snake properly and just the fact the op was asking the questions he was im going to go out on a limb and say hes not a "high level ccompetition shooter or life depends on accuracy".
So how do you explain rifles with other wise nice bores & only wear to the last couple of inches? For clarity, using a steel rod will not damage the bore but improper use of a steel rod will damage the bore.
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Kinda what I figured hah. I bought one of them Tipton Carbon fiber rods and a Tipton rod guide which will work for all my other firearms. But I still love running my Boresnakes. And yes I clean my AR barrel... I'm religous about that ####.
lol, best one of the day buddy!
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can someone please explain to me, using science, not folk lore, how a boresnake, make of nylon and brass can damage a steel barrel?
Bolivar
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I believe the concerns would be:
1) accumulated dirt and debris caught in the fibers being dragged over and over again through the bore, increasing wear.
2) The snake not being drawn straight in line with the bore, acceleration wear at the muzzle, the most critical portion of the barrel for accuracy. (I recently read some old military texts concerning this latter issue as related to the proper maintenance of Lee Enfields)
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while i agree to an extent about the first point, the debris is mostly imbeds into the nylon since it is softer than the steel.
on the second point, please explain how that happens. where does this wear come from.
on the second point, please explain how that happens. where does this wear come from.
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One of the other concerns wrt a boresnake is using the wrong size...if you get it stuck in the barrel and the cord breaks, damage can easily be done trying to get the remnant of the snake out.
I love using my bore snakes. Most of my gun barrels see nothing else (other than a good shot of G96 before using the snake).
I love using my bore snakes. Most of my gun barrels see nothing else (other than a good shot of G96 before using the snake).
The cord gets dragged over the edge of the bore at the crown, resulting in a "cord worn" condition. It was enough of a problem that there was a mark stamped by armourers at the breech.
Of course, no one would do this with their snake, the thing would be pulled straight out, and the cord would never touch the edge of the rifling.
I have always wondered if one of these snakes does a quality job of actually cleaning a bore - not just wiping it out.
