Dear Alberta Beef Producers

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Here is a letter to beef producers across the province from our local Fish and Game Association.

Please feel free to distribute it as you please.

Also feel free to plagiarize parts, but please pull my name and the Provost F&G references if you are not distributing it in it's entirety.

You can download the pdf, but I'll put the main text here for convenience. The pdf includes contact info for the local ABP Reps.

Dear Beef Producers,
The following proposal was sent to the Alberta Game Management Advisory Group, from the Alberta Beef Producers Wildlife Sub-Committee, on Alberta Beef Producers letterhead. The motion was made by Buckly and Suntjens and signed off by Rick McKnight.

“Be it resolved that the Wildlife Subcommittee recommends that the Alberta Wildlife Act and Regulations dealing with the transportation of firearms in vehicles on developed road allowances during big game hunting season be changed such that both firearm and ammunition be locked in separate containers”

If that was to be accepted by the Management group and then by government, that would mean that during big game seasons which run from September thru February as well as April thru June, you could be charged for a stray 22 shell in the ashtray. You could also be charged for having a coyote or gopher gun that isn’t in a locked case while going from one field to the next.

When you contact the Alberta Beef Producers you will likely receive a form letter explaining how it’s not the position of the Alberta Beef Producers, but only of the subcommittee. However so far they have not retracted the statement, which seems to imply the organization does back this policy. I ask of you to please contact your local Alberta Beef Producers representative and urge them to retract this statement before they give Alberta beef producers a permanent black eye with hunters and firearms enthusiasts who are not beef producers.

Sincerely,
Oscar Long
President
Provost and District Fish and Game Association
(780) 209-1627

PS,
Here is a list of contacts for some of the ABP Representatives in this area:
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Great idea, thanks for both spearheading and posting it.

I seriously doubt most cattlemen know anything about this and would be seriously pissed if they did.
To be honest I'd never heard of the abp or whatever they're calling themselves before this, and I used to have cattle, but they remind me of the wheat pool just before they somehow/suddenly became a private for profit company, and we all remember how that "farmer owned co operative" worked out for farmers in the end.
 
I believe they used to be the Alberta Cattle Commission. I don't know that I'm spearheading it, but I'm trying to do my part. If you still know some ranchers, please pass this out amongst them.
 
I think it was a very good letter.

However, I would suggest the following changes followed by sending it to the ABP directly:

Dear Alberta Beef Producers executive,

Go #### yourselves, you pinko commie bastards.

Signed,
Everyone with half a brain

P.S. Feel free to inflict same treatment on equine transportation that brought you here.
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:D

-M
 
Thanks for the Pepsi on my keyboard Doc M. Your letter couldn't be more to the point. It's too bad that suit wearing commies would have their feelings hurt by that and ignore it.

Thanks for composing that letter Scar270. I've sent it out to everyone on my email list that may have any interest in this. I've thought up a couple more places to contact about it for tomorrow.
 
No matter I'm with you Doc a few strong wards like that are good. Also what about them when they carry a riflle in the truck for Coyotes and wolves.When I used to check the stock I always carried one and the ammo was beside me.Of course in those days the only thing that p-ssed us off were people that never covered up pits. Hey maybe they should have been made to keep their shovels in locked compartments.
 
I just got this from the ABP after writing them to express my feelings:

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grijim said:
No matter I'm with you Doc a few strong wards like that are good. Also what about them when they carry a riflle in the truck for Coyotes and wolves.When I used to check the stock I always carried one and the ammo was beside me.Of course in those days the only thing that p-ssed us off were people that never covered up pits. Hey maybe they should have been made to keep their shovels in locked compartments.
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You got THAT damn right, grijim! :)

They'll be some kinda pissed when the local Fish Cops pull them over for shooting at a coyote that was nagging at a calf... "but you have to store the ammunition in a locked compartment. Your firearm is loaded. So, you're okay for shooting the coyote but I'm gonna do you for discharging a firearm from a vehicle AND the new ammunition regulation."

Idiots.

-M
 
I asked the game warden how many ranchers he thought he would end up being able to charge if this was passed, his reply was "all of them", although he thought the rule was as stupid as we do.

Head Damage, that is the form letter they are replying with, but notice they say it's not their policy, but it is one of a subcommittee, and they are not doing anything to remove that policy, or to vet it with their membership.

Write them back and ask how come if it's not ABP policy, why it's being forwarded to the wildlife committee as such.
 
Doc M said:
I think it was a very good letter.

However, I would suggest the following changes followed by sending it to the ABP directly:



:D

-M
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Great reply Doc. I am a rancher as well as gun enthusiast. I agree completely with Suka who suggested that most cattlemen have not heard of this ABP proposal. I had not until a friend e-mailed me a copy of the proposal. I immediately fired off a nasty letter to Rich Smith, General Manager of ABP to let him know my position on this. Have not received a reply thus far. I think it is a good idea to bombard Mr. Smith with your opinions on this matter and perhaps point out that the committee that came up with this garbage is probably a small group of lefties who do not have the support of any real rancher. I can assure everyone that the ranchers I know would feel the same way I do.
 
Response

For your information, following is a summary of the decision made last week by the Alberta Game Management Advisory Group.

At the Alberta Game Management Advisory Group meeting on April 28, 2010, the Wildlife Sub-Committee proposal for transportation of firearms and ammunition in vehicles during big game hunting season was considered and, not surprisingly, rejected. All members present at the advisory group recognized that the practice of illegal road hunting is not only unethical, but also is a serious issue for livestock safety, land owners, rural residents, and fellow hunters. No further consideration will be given to the transportation of firearms and ammunition proposal, but all members of the advisory group, including the government members, agreed to go back to their respective groups and return with other possible solutions to help deal with this serious issue.

The Wildlife Sub-Committee now considers the matter of their proposal to be closed. The matter is also closed from an ABP perspective. The proposal was an idea from a sub-committee and never was ABP policy despite the repeated and sometimes malicious attempts to make it appear that way. Since the proposal will not receive any further consideration by the advisory group and never has received consideration or approval from ABP, the organization sees no need for any action other than informing stakeholders about the advisory group decision.

Regards,


Rich Smith, P.Eng.
General Manager
 
Thanks to PUMA for his reply with clarification of the "ABP" proposal. Only thing that is worrysome is that everybody went back to their own groups to come up with "more possible solutions" I think we have quite enough laws already to deal with any situation, don't need any more. Just enforce what we have. We might want to watch and see what "other possible solutions" could arise. I am afraid we try to make too many "other possible solutions" too often.
 
maufron said:
Thanks to PUMA for his reply with clarification of the "ABP" proposal. Only thing that is worrysome is that everybody went back to their own groups to come up with "more possible solutions" I think we have quite enough laws already to deal with any situation, don't need any more. Just enforce what we have. We might want to watch and see what "other possible solutions" could arise. I am afraid we try to make too many "other possible solutions" too often.
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A-men to that brother. They're trying to turn this place into Ontario one B.S. rule at a time.
 
Dear Alberta Beef Producers

I am glad to see cooler heads prevailed at the wildlife advisory meeting and the silly proposal to have guns and ammo locked in separate containers was thrown out. I look forward to eating a lot of fine Alberta beef in the future!
 
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