Debating the BCL 102 vs the DMPS Recon G2

[Epoxy7]

Seems to me take away the NR status and the 102 loses in this comparison. That's not much going for it then imo.

Well, it's comparable to a Gen 1. The price point is fairly comparable too. From a comparison the 102 is better than the G1 DPMS with more features etc for the same price. But yes the GII does beat it by a large amount on everything else. In fact the GII beats most in terms of design, including the higher end combat proven designs. Build quality, QC etc however is still DPMS so you have to watch out for that. The GII is one heck of a move by them and really caught everyone off guard. The best part was they introduced it at shot show and had them ready to roll out at that point. Pretty slickly done.

Again a fair comparison would be vs the DPMS Gen1 and other systems based off this design, including the Modern Hunter. The 102 offers a competitive product without the non restricted tax. The latest generation I'm really liking the looks of as well. I need another AR308 like a hole in the head, but I'll end up buying one of the 102 rifles. I just hope all the QC stuff is worked out. Hopefully I won't have to change out the barrel as well.

 

[cr5]

Well, it's comparable to a Gen 1. The price point is fairly comparable too. From a comparison the 102 is better than the G1 DPMS with more features etc for the same price. But yes the GII does beat it by a large amount on everything else. In fact the GII beats most in terms of design, including the higher end combat proven designs. Build quality, QC etc however is still DPMS so you have to watch out for that. The GII is one heck of a move by them and really caught everyone off guard. The best part was they introduced it at shot show and had them ready to roll out at that point. Pretty slickly done.

Again a fair comparison would be vs the DPMS Gen1 and other systems based off this design, including the Modern Hunter. The 102 offers a competitive product without the non restricted tax. The latest generation I'm really liking the looks of as well. I need another AR308 like a hole in the head, but I'll end up buying one of the 102 rifles. I just hope all the QC stuff is worked out. Hopefully I won't have to change out the barrel as well.

Agree with all your comments but wonder why everyone thinks they'll magically get the QC worked out with the next batch. NEA has been doing this since they started selling to us and I doubt that will change just because they're now building something non restricted.
I hope they do make it better in future batches but I wouldn't count on it based on their history of failures and just letting their warranty make people feel more comfortable buying their products.

 

[Epoxy7]

Agree with all your comments but wonder why everyone thinks they'll magically get the QC worked out with the next batch. NEA has been doing this since they started selling to us and I doubt that will change just because they're now building something non restricted.
I hope they do make it better in future batches but I wouldn't count on it based on their history of failures and just letting their warranty make people feel more comfortable buying their products.

The later NEA stuff in AR15 is a fair amount better than the early stuff. Now we have a new 102 with a fairly extensive redesign right out of the gate. That takes money and a willingness to get it right. You don’t see a redesign of the MH to take gen3 pmags even though it was a known issue pretty much since the beginning. BCL could have easily coasted on the original 102 design. I would have still bought one. But they didn’t. Even after the obvious success of the older design and frankly having less issues than the first 75 MH rifles while half the price.

BCL’s actions are what is currently driving this optimism. Will see if it continues.

 

[madashell]

Maybe they should have worked out the design before releasing the Gen. 1.

The later NEA stuff in AR15 is a fair amount better than the early stuff. Now we have a new 102 with a fairly extensive redesign right out of the gate. That takes money and a willingness to get it right. You don’t see a redesign of the MH to take gen3 pmags even though it was a known issue pretty much since the beginning. BCL could have easily coasted on the original 102 design. I would have still bought one. But they didn’t. Even after the obvious success of the older design and frankly having less issues than the first 75 MH rifles while half the price.

BCL’s actions are what is currently driving this optimism. Will see if it continues.

 

[cr5]

The later NEA stuff in AR15 is a fair amount better than the early stuff. Now we have a new 102 with a fairly extensive redesign right out of the gate. That takes money and a willingness to get it right. You don’t see a redesign of the MH to take gen3 pmags even though it was a known issue pretty much since the beginning. BCL could have easily coasted on the original 102 design. I would have still bought one. But they didn’t. Even after the obvious success of the older design and frankly having less issues than the first 75 MH rifles while half the price.

BCL’s actions are what is currently driving this optimism. Will see if it continues.

I hope you're right, I'd like to put one on the to buy list.

Maybe they should have worked out the design before releasing the Gen. 1.

Why would they bother? Through the magic of the pre-order they sold all of the first ones at full price with their issues, now they put out gen 2 and pre-order sell all of them. Next batch will be gen 3 revision, hopefully they up the QC, if you get one built right they make a decent rifle, unfortunately it's always been a roll of the dice when buying NEA.

Was there ever a reply to if they dropped the "match" chamber for this batch?

 

[viallet]

Actually owning both rifles you are asking about, I would say that it is personal preference and where you want to use it. My AR10 makes a single ragged hole at 100m and .5moa at 300m. It is a range toy.

My BCL makes a tight pattern at 100m and about 1.2 moa at 300m. I have not tried tuning my reloads for it yet.

N

 

[cr5]

Actually owning both rifles you are asking about, I would say that it is personal preference and where you want to use it. My AR10 makes a single ragged hole at 100m and .5moa at 300m. It is a range toy.

My BCL makes a tight pattern at 100m and about 1.2 moa at 300m. I have not tried tuning my reloads for it yet.

N

What ammo are you using for the 102 that's giving you 1.2 moa at 300?
That is by far the best accuracy I've heard of from one of these. Five shot groups? Is it consistently doing that or is that just the best fluke group you've seen from it?
Sounds like you got a good one.