Debating the BCL 102 vs the DMPS Recon G2

b_w. said:
g2 is mostly proprietary parts that are not easily obtained.
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in the g2 a few things are proprietary charging handle is proprietary, bolt is proprietary, the rest you need to buy the dpms profile ar10 stuff, but so is the bcl102 need to buy armalite profile ar10 stuff, so thats pretty much a wash

the ability for the bcl102 to be NR is the biggest gain here, allows for unrestricted use and for regular PAL owners to own an ar10 like rifle.
 
mikethebike said:
in the g2 a few things are proprietary charging handle is proprietary, bolt is proprietary, the rest you need to buy the dpms profile ar10 stuff, but so is the bcl102 need to buy armalite profile ar10 stuff, so thats pretty much a wash

the ability for the bcl102 to be NR is the biggest gain here, allows for unrestricted use and for regular PAL owners to own an ar10 like rifle.
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Very good point.

Be nice if the AR10 stuff standardized a bit more !
 
mikethebike said:
that's right, what am I missing?

bought it, waiting for it to come
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You were offering your opinion comparing the two guns and spoke to the reliability of the 102. Was your 75% reliability in the woods and at the range comment based on other people's reports or have you had a chance to use one in the woods and at the range?
 
the G2 is the current pinnacle of evolution for the AR10 platform. all you need to do to it is replace the handguard with one from MI and maybe the muzzle device with you favorite.

the 102 is starting from lower on the ladder in terms of design. they couldnt just one-up the G2, so it is what it is.

if you dont care about the restricted part of the equation, then G2 > M&P10 > BCL102
 
Runningfool said:
You were offering your opinion comparing the two guns and spoke to the reliability of the 102. Was your 75% reliability in the woods and at the range comment based on other people's reports or have you had a chance to use one in the woods and at the range?
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k i see where it might be miscontrued, i did mention "seems" in regards to the 102 i.e. based on the experiences so far
no "seems" in mention to the g2
i apologize for the confusion

regardless 75% is better than 50%
 
P0WERWAGON said:
the G2 is the current pinnacle of evolution for the AR10 platform. all you need to do to it is replace the handguard with one from MI and maybe the muzzle device with you favorite.

the 102 is starting from lower on the ladder in terms of design. they couldnt just one-up the G2, so it is what it is.

if you dont care about the restricted part of the equation, then G2 > M&P10 > BCL102
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Just want to add s few more details to power wagons post. The Gii is a new design. It’s downsized in weight and size. Put a MI handguard In it and you are at 8 lbs with the Recon which has s 16” ss medium heavy profile barrel. It’s the newest take on a semi auto AR308. Also the dimensions when behind the gun feel AR15, not AR10. The only negative is the stock handguard which is crappy and adds a bunch of weight. Plus it’s dpms so it can be hit/miss on the QC. For instance a number of us have excellent triggers (2 stage) while others buying the same rifle have had to replace the trigger. Plus there are reports of some lemons out there.

The 102 (no I don’t own one yet) is based off the original design. More comparable to a gen 1 DPMS. It’s much bigger in profile and heavier. You can lower the weight but if doing the same with s Gii you will hit lower weight than what is obtainable with the 102. For instance a Gii moe with polymer handguard basically a 308 base model with regular at profile barrel is about 7.25 pounds.

The Gii is s superior design. Light and handy enough to cqb with. But it’s restricted. The 102 is shaping up to be a nice nr AR308. I like the recent update. It takes the 102 from a basic no thrills ar308 to a more boutique looking product. I’m looking forward to buying one.
 
I have a G2 and will soon have a bcl102 in my hands
My G2 has a midwest, the bcl will have a midwest
My G2 has a t33 acog, bcl will have a ta33 acog

I'll do a full unbiased no bullshiat mikethebike comparison at the range when I gave both in my hands and the bcl is nodded so as to do an apples to apples comparison

Stay tuned
 
Brianma65 said:
What about the CA 10 DMR?
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The CA 10 is one of my favourites. Pretty light, carbon fibre barrel with 1 moa guarantee. This is what I was hoping the modern hunter to be with the benefit of being nr. Wasn't the case for me with reliability and accuracy but it was light. I'm hoping to get the bcl like the CA 10
 
In your position I would buy the BCL purely for the following reasons.

-less paperwork
-no registration
-eased transport regs
-eased storage regs
-appeals to a larger group if you decide to resell.
-holds value better

These are all a direct result of the status it holds, nothing more. So when picking a status, you are not just picking where you shoot it.
 
b_w. said:
g2 is mostly proprietary parts that are not easily obtained.
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When did it become hard to find DPMS parts?
I don't think I've ever read a post from someone who's had any problems with the DPMS. The 102? well that's another story.
Granted, I haven't been following the G2 model much, sold my gen 1 that I was very happy with, only sold it because I replaced it with a better one that was built on a Mega Arms upper/lower and top end everything else. Sold that when I quit going to gun ranges.

onetwentyish said:
In your position I would buy the BCL purely for the following reasons.

-less paperwork
-no registration
-eased transport regs
-eased storage regs
-appeals to a larger group if you decide to resell.
-holds value better

These are all a direct result of the status it holds, nothing more. So when picking a status, you are not just picking where you shoot it.
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I agree with all of this but am unsure about the last point about resale value. Once the hype dies off and as more of the companies working on non restricted stuff get their rifles to market I see the value of these dropping. NEA has never been a sought after brand, people buy them because they're cheap then usually move on to better stuff as they gain experience.
If you buy one then decide you don't like it and decide to sell it in a couple months then you would probably come close to breaking even but if it takes a year or two and these other rifles are on the market it may be a tougher sell.
Granted, a used DPMS also doesn't usually command a high resale but the G2 might be a little better than the gen 1's.

As much as I won't buy a BCL until I see them do a better job on QC if I had to choose between the two for virtually the same price and even though the DPMS is better rifle I'd still go with the 102 because of the NR status.
 
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Look forward to that Mike !!

mikethebike said:
I have a G2 and will soon have a bcl102 in my hands
My G2 has a midwest, the bcl will have a midwest
My G2 has a t33 acog, bcl will have a ta33 acog

I'll do a full unbiased no bullshiat mikethebike comparison at the range when I gave both in my hands and the bcl is nodded so as to do an apples to apples comparison

Stay tuned
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Seems to me take away the NR status and the 102 loses in this comparison. That's not much going for it then imo.

onetwentyish said:
In your position I would buy the BCL purely for the following reasons.

-less paperwork
-no registration
-eased transport regs
-eased storage regs
-appeals to a larger group if you decide to resell.
-holds value better

These are all a direct result of the status it holds, nothing more. So when picking a status, you are not just picking where you shoot it.
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