Decocking a VZ58

-[Crosshair]- said:
I can do this with my CSA Vz.58. What kind of Vz do you have?
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I'ts a VZ58 Shorty 7 1/2" barrel. I was jusy expecting to be able to decock it like I can with my CZ858. As for dry firing, my dad taught me back in the early 60's that there was usually a way to decock a gun without dry firing and do that first. Probably old school but...........

Glad the guy from Regina told me unload the gun first.....:eek: :eek: :eek:
[/QUOTE]However, you should manually eject your round before attempting to do that and your magazine should be removed. [/QUOTE]
 
The tabbed carriers on the csa guns don't allow decocking. My 858 will do it, my csa 11.5" won't. I still dry fire it when I have to but usually store them with actions open.
 
"Yawn"

Dry firing modern centerfires is fine, or your gun sucks.

Avoid dry firing rimfires so as to avoid peening the breech face with the firing pin, except ruger 10/22's, chargers and sr-22's, which have an accommodation for this. I'm sure many other rimfires do too, but I have no such list.
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
They are very fun to use. Looking at microstructures and fracture surfaces is fun and all, but nothing like looking at bugs and other stuff.

I admit I misread what you said. I took it as dry firing being the cause of failure. My bad
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:cheers:

No worries. Looking at bugs would be pretty awesome; talk about alien world.
 
5440fight said:
"Yawn"

Dry firing modern centerfires is fine, or your gun sucks.

Avoid dry firing rimfires so as to avoid peening the breech face with the firing pin, except ruger 10/22's, chargers and sr-22's, which have an accommodation for this. I'm sure many other rimfires do too, but I have no such list.
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figured so. was hoping you would pop by!!!
 
I don't dry fire anything if I don't have to. I actually broke a fireing pin on a .22 revolver once by dry firing. It can and will happen.
 
Throttle_monkey1 said:
The tabbed carriers on the csa guns don't allow decocking. My 858 will do it, my csa 11.5" won't. I still dry fire it when I have to but usually store them with actions open.
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Yep, that turns out to be the answer to my question. This weekend I had some time to do some comparison and the carrier on my 58 indeed does have a welded tab on it and the 858 carrier does not. Other than the tab, they are the same.

I asked a question about decocking and got a good debate going about dry firing...... Oh, well, I guess that happens a lot on this site......

Do you suppose that CSA welded the tab on the carrier to prevent the gremlin that I have heard about with some 858's?
 
dry firing rimfires is a no no and dry firing your CZ 858 is a no no as well. The correct decocking procedure should be followed as indicated in the manual
 
Redneckhippy said:
dry firing rimfires is a no no and dry firing your CZ 858 is a no no as well. The correct decocking procedure should be followed as indicated in the manual
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wrong... well not exactly wrong, but not necessarily right ..

as its been already stated, modern centerfires are good to go when it comes to dry firing. you wont hurt your gun.
 
It is a perfectly acceptable and required step to dry fire an sa. vz58. A properly functioning machinegun or reliable semi-auto cannot be de-cocked without dry firing.
On semi auto rifles without the tab that comes on CSA rifles the rifle can be decocked by holding the bolt rearward, pulling and holding trigger, then releasing bolt.
However if this can be done, then it can also happen randomly while firing, resulting in an unreliable rifle.
In other words. Yes you can and should dry fire your rifle for storage and or cleaning. And if your rifle doesn't have an autosear or carrier tab, don't count on it to work when you need it
 
im with obi .

rifle was designed with auto sear , even tho our models dont have that feature , it was still designed to handle dry fire .

as for the 22s , generally its not recommended to dry fire .
 
VanIsler said:
Nope you can dry fire rimfires all day long.
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Probably been said already, not a good idea. Obviously a single dry fire on any weapon isn't likely to do any damage. But on rimfires there will be cumulative damage over many dry fires. But its definately not worth worrying about a few dry fires here and there, and the most likely damage may be more cosmetic than functional. So, 'yes' you could, but 'no' you really shouldn't.
 
Dakk said:
Probably been said already, not a good idea. Obviously a single dry fire on any weapon isn't likely to do any damage. But on rimfires there will be cumulative damage over many dry fires. But its definately not worth worrying about a few dry fires here and there, and the most likely damage may be more cosmetic than functional. So, 'yes' you could, but 'no' you really shouldn't.
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Many modern rifmfires are designed to allow dryfiring without damage, but you should always consult the owners manual in regards to this.
 
Dakk said:
Probably been said already, not a good idea. Obviously a single dry fire on any weapon isn't likely to do any damage. But on rimfires there will be cumulative damage over many dry fires. But its definately not worth worrying about a few dry fires here and there, and the most likely damage may be more cosmetic than functional. So, 'yes' you could, but 'no' you really shouldn't.
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Yeah been mentioned already. With the exception of converted Enfields and my dad's old Mossberg bolt action, all of my rimfire experience is on Rugers, including a convertible 22/22 mag revolver. Goes to show no matter how long you've been shooting there is always more to learn.
 
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