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[cam1936]

Well, I confess...I do like to shoot Glock better than CZ. I also may consider to buy air Glock for practice - cheaper than .22 conversion kit and does pretty much the same job for trigger control practicing. Let alone - .177 way cheaper than anything, lol. I've bought 1250 corssman HP pellets for 9.99$ in Canadian tire last weekend for my Colt 1911 (air), lol. Now, what ammo is cheaper than that? lol

So, the only two problems I have with GLock are:

1. If I understood correctly - I do not need to lower the hammer in Glock - right?

2. Does the lack of manual safety in Glock can cause accidental discharge (granted, with trigger finger off the trigger) just by catching on the holster rim during the draw/putting back?

If the answer for both of those questions - "NO", than, no doubt, I have chosen my gun!

I don't understand why people have an issue lowering a hammer. Practice it while watching tv or something. I've done it countless times without it sliping. A CZ with a competition hammer and 15lb mainspring, both still legal in production, has a far superior trigger pull to the glock.

 

[coldblood]

I don't understand why people have an issue lowering a hammer. Practice it while watching tv or something. I've done it countless times without it sliping. A CZ with a competition hammer and 15lb mainspring, both still legal in production, has a far superior trigger pull to the glock.

Methinks as a very new to the handguns and stuff, I would rather start with something that does not require more manipulation with gun mechanics than necessary to "point-and-shoot". Yes, I feel very uncomfortable. Yes, there are even seasoned gun owners that had ADs like that. So, as for me, I would rather take it baby steps until I absolutely comfortable with something that is "idiotproof" than go fast and kill somebody in the process. Yes, I know - practice makes perfect but I think that only perfect practice makes perfect which means - learn how to walk first. And this is what I am trying to do.

 

[cam1936]

Methinks as a very new to the handguns and stuff, I would rather start with something that does not require more manipulation with gun mechanics than necessary to "point-and-shoot". Yes, I feel very uncomfortable. Yes, there are even seasoned gun owners that had ADs like that. So, as for me, I would rather take it baby steps until I absolutely comfortable with something that is "idiotproof" than go fast and kill somebody in the process. Yes, I know - practice makes perfect but I think that only perfect practice makes perfect which means - learn how to walk first. And this is what I am trying to do.

Fair enough

 

[Viper26]

I don't understand why people have an issue lowering a hammer. Practice it while watching tv or something. I've done it countless times without it sliping. A CZ with a competition hammer and 15lb mainspring, both still legal in production, has a far superior trigger pull to the glock.

I agree 100%. Lowering the hammer is a learned technique, and it works for you and me. Ultimately the gun he is most comfortable with is the gun he will likely shoot the best.

 

[Canuck44]

Leave your finger in the trigger guard while holstering or catch your shirt in the trigger guard while holstering and the Glock can and will go bang. More than one shooter has found that out the hard way. Just use caution and pay attention to what you are doing and you should not have any problems. The same is true with lowering a hammer on a CZ. I have found putting your weak hand thumb between the hammer and the firing pin as you pull the trigger, then simply rolling your thumb out of the way of the slowly falling hammer works best for me.

I agree with a prevous poster the Glock trigger is simply not the same as a CZ stock shadow or any other CZ that has had a trigger job done it.

Take Care

Bob

 

[coldblood]

Leave your finger in the trigger guard while holstering or catch your shirt in the trigger guard while holstering and the Glock can and will go bang. More than one shooter has found that out the hard way. Just use caution and pay attention to what you are doing and you should not have any problems. The same is true with lowering a hammer on a CZ. I have found putting your weak hand thumb between the hammer and the firing pin as you pull the trigger, then simply rolling your thumb out of the way of the slowly falling hammer works best for me.

I agree with a prevous poster the Glock trigger is simply not the same as a CZ stock shadow or any other CZ that has had a trigger job done it.

Take Care

Bob

I just did the "thumb" roll that you discribed with my hands without a gun, pretending that my strong hand thumb is a hammer. It's not THAT complicated. May be I need to try it in the range with snap caps loaded and a range officer by my side... I am going to the range today and will take again G17 and SP-01 to shoot... Now, that I have access to EE, may be I would be able to find a deal for both - CZ and Glock, and then I do not need to compromise.

 

[bollox]

I have both Glock and CZ shadow and hands down my pick would be CZ. No questions asked. The trigger on the CZ is just far superior, IMO of course...

Every time I start a mag I drop the hammer to fire in DA and have never had it slip even when doing fast mag changes.

 

[Viper26]

I just did the "thumb" roll that you discribed with my hands without a gun, pretending that my strong hand thumb is a hammer.

I don't recommend the thumb roll. That's what the guy I was talking about earlier was trying to do. Problem is a little oil on the hammer, or a sweaty hand, and slip - bang! I prefer pinching the hammer between my thumb and index finger. The hole in the middle gives lots to grip, and you can control it all the way down. Either way, do it with your arm fully extended and gun pointed into the backstop.

 

[Canuck44]

I just did the "thumb" roll that you discribed with my hands without a gun, pretending that my strong hand thumb is a hammer. It's not THAT complicated. May be I need to try it in the range with snap caps loaded and a range officer by my side... I am going to the range today and will take again G17 and SP-01 to shoot... Now, that I have access to EE, may be I would be able to find a deal for both - CZ and Glock, and then I do not need to compromise.

Don't forget the CZ Kadet Kit. I have one and mount it on either my 85 Combat or my SP-01. It is an amazing piece of kit. Unlike some conversion kits it eats teh cheapest ammo you can buy. Extremely accurate with the slide locking back on the last round fired.

Take Care

Bob

 

[rhs]

I wouldn't worry about an AD when drawing and holstering. Any of the IPSC/IDPA legal holsters cover the triggerguard completely, so the risk of hitting the trigger accidentally as your hand comes onto the gun is nil. If you train correctly on your draw, your trigger finger should be alongside in any case, but a layer of leather or kydex in between is a good thing. IMHO, the risk is more prevalent when holstering, but there is no need to rush this in either IDPA or IPSC. AFAIK, there is never an occasion to holster a loaded gun in a hurry. IPSC and IDPA do not require you to transition back from a secondary to a primary weapon (carbine) if you still have ammo left in your secondary. The only time you are holstering a loaded pistol is after LAMR. This is a time where you should be relaxing, so jamming your pistol into your holster is probably not going to be what you want to be doing.

 

[coldblood]

Ok, guys, I am back from the range. The range officer did not like the "thumb" roll either and said - "do it only with a pinch. Always". He showed me several times on the empty gun and then with loaded gun and let me try. I did ok. If gun is pointed down the range, it's not that scary or complicated. I was shooting today with several IPSC guys and they almost without exception told me that they started shooting with Shadow when shot in Production! One of them actually had conversion kit for .22 with him (you cannot imagine the size of his range case. It's like guy is going on vacation or something, lol! I guess, I will be as crazy one year from now, lol ). So, he said that Shadow+.22 conversion - this is all I need to start from. And if I really like Glock, he said, just buy one in the different caliber than Shadow and give it a ride from time to time in the range.

 

[Canuck44]

Ok, guys, I am back from the range. The range officer did not like the "thumb" roll either and said - "do it only with a pinch. )

When you have oil on your hammer or fingers don't be surprised if your fingers slip off the hammer. I have seen it happen at an IPSC Qualifier using the pinch method. The shooter was DQ'd when the gun went bang.

Take care

Bob

 

[mlehtovaara]

I chose the Glock but I still find myself looking at the shadow and drooling. Problem for me was parts availability. I had a kadet as my first handgun and needed a replacement slide lock/release and it was ordered. 3 months past by and I never got it. Sold the gun and never looked back. Not sure if this is normal but it left a bad taste in my mouth. The glock has a million aftermarket suppliers for parts and it is as simple as it gets to detail strip and rebuild. I dont think I will ever get into ISPC but i do plan on doing some tactical defesive shooting, and just got my holster qualification so I will be putting alot of rounds through my G17 this summer. Unless I sell it for a Shadow! lol

 

[C Broad Arrow]

I chose a Glock because I am left handed and the Glock safety system made it easier for me to draw, and fire.

 

[C Broad Arrow]

BTW... You can convert a G17 to a G22 relatively easily. So in effect you can also get a 22 conversion giving you 3 guns in one.

 

[Wendell]

...The range officer did not like the "thumb" roll either and said - "do it only with a pinch. Always". He showed me several times on the empty gun and then with loaded gun and let me try...

It works for him, I guess...

The only ND that I have ever committed during a LAMR happened as I was doing it with a pinch (on an SP01). How many times had I lowered hammers before and then...

No thanks. (I deem that an unsafe procedure.) You can do it that way if you want, Mr. RO.

As for me, I'll control it with my thumb.

 

[coldblood]

It works for him, I guess...

The only ND that I have ever committed during a LAMR happened as I was doing it with a pinch (on an SP01). How many times had I lowered hammers before and then...

No thanks. (I deem that an unsafe procedure.) You can do it that way if you want, Mr. RO.

As for me, I'll control it with my thumb.

I guess it's not written on stone. Like you said. It may work for him. I plan to practice both ways to see how it works for me the best. I just do not have anything to practice with at home yet!

 

[Radagast]

The hammer has striations on the top so it can be lowered with your thumb. The sides do not have striations. Many shooters use the pinch method, I do not, nor do I recommend it. Get your thumb high enough on the hammer spur so the pad overlaps the hammer a little at the front, providing a buffer. This will prevent the hammer from slipping forward as you lower it. It works for me anyway.

Or go with the Tactical.

Or simply get the Glock.

My Glock 17 was my first pistol, I learned the basics on a club CZ85 then went straight to the Glock. I went from D grade to the Australian team and never had an accidental discharge.
Go to the range again and check the Glock trigger. The safety is in the trigger, it has to have pressure applied directly backwards to deactivate it. pressure from the side will not do this. The only way it could negligently discharge on holstering is if your finger is in the trigger guard, your holster has a safety strap that could interfer with the trigger. Buy a competition holster such as Safariland or CR Speed or a kydex holster such as the Bladetech and this is not a problem - no safety strap.
The only other slim possibility is if you wear a jacket with draw string toggles on the sides, these can catch the gun on the draw and potentially interfere in the trigger when holstering. The solution is don't wear one when shooting..

Based on this discussion, I would suggest you get the Glock and master it. At a later stage you can buy a CZ if you want to become competitive. If money is an issue you can always resell the Glock, as there is always a ready market for them.

 

[coldblood]

The hammer has striations on the top so it can be lowered with your thumb. The sides do not have striations. Many shooters use the pinch method, I do not, nor do I recommend it. Get your thumb high enough on the hammer spur so the pad overlaps the hammer a little at the front, providing a buffer. This will prevent the hammer from slipping forward as you lower it. It works for me anyway.

Or go with the Tactical.

Or simply get the Glock.

My Glock 17 was my first pistol, I learned the basics on a club CZ85 then went straight to the Glock. I went from D grade to the Australian team and never had an accidental discharge.
Go to the range again and check the Glock trigger. The safety is in the trigger, it has to have pressure applied directly backwards to deactivate it. pressure from the side will not do this. The only way it could negligently discharge on holstering is if your finger is in the trigger guard, your holster has a safety strap that could interfer with the trigger. Buy a competition holster such as Safariland or CR Speed or a kydex holster such as the Bladetech and this is not a problem - no safety strap.
The only other slim possibility is if you wear a jacket with draw string toggles on the sides, these can catch the gun on the draw and potentially interfere in the trigger when holstering. The solution is don't wear one when shooting..

Based on this discussion, I would suggest you get the Glock and master it. At a later stage you can buy a CZ if you want to become competitive. If money is an issue you can always resell the Glock, as there is always a ready market for them.

Thank you so much! That pretty much summarizes my thoughts! I will go to the range today later on (yep, I am there almost every day, lol) and will give G17 some lovin'


Thank you so very much to everybody who commented on my thread! I learned A LOT! You, guys, are DA BEST!!!!!

 

[C Broad Arrow]

Good luck with the Glock!