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Steel doesn't need to be heat treated to make it strong. You can start off with a very strong steel but it is much more difficult to machine.

Heat treatment is usually used so that steel is soft and easily machined, then treated for toughness. But dimensions don't always remain stable after heat treatment.
 
Rather than get a bunch of bs from the internet, why don't you give Ross or Steve a call. They also post on here as well. I missed the part where you stated you asked. If they won't answer then eveything else is speculation at best.
 
dirteemax said:
Can anyone answer a quick question for me? What I’m wondering about is what treatment process do the actions that PGW manufacture receive? Mostly I want to know about the 50bmg action they produce. Since you never know for sure until you ask I thought I would do just that.

I have heard that there action are not actually heat treated and that they only receive a nitrate treatment. This treatment only hardens the very outside surface. Since the action was not actually heat treated and stress relived it is prone to warping and other issues since its still much softer then something that has been properly heat treated.

What are the actual facts on this? Like I mentioned this is just something I have been told so I am trying to confirm some actual facts. Does anyone on here know anything about this? I tried asking PGW a few times but they stopped replying when I asked about their actions and heat treating.

I would be les scared of buying a PGW action if I knew a few more facts about this issue
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Why are you asking them how they make their guns and what they make it from? Its completely up to them if they tell you or not. Its very odd that you are "scared" of buying a gun from a known manufacture because they wont give you their "recipe".

Try giving Boeing a call and ask them for some tips on working carbon fiber and how they do it, see how that works out.

There is a way to find out though, through PMI (positive material identification) gun for the metal, and rockwell hardness test or a schloroscope (probably spelled it wrong) for testing the hardness. But you will need to have a PGW action on hand to test.
 
dirteemax said:
I don't think its "odd' at all. Do you buy a new vehicle without looking at the specs first? I am not going to buy a rifle without knowing a few things about how its put together either, especially when I make a few phone calls and have a few gunsmiths voice there concerns about the action. That’s like buying a truck after a mechanic says the motor is likely to fly apart on that model without first doing any more research. I don’t really want a rifle that is likely to have the action warp on it, so I’m not going to buy something without some informed decision making and I don’t think anyone else should either.

If it’s that weird of a question to ask then I would not think BAT would post information about the exact material used, when its heat treated, and to what hardness????

I’m just looking for some information for myself and any others who are wondering about the actions on PGW rifles. Maybe there is a reason to be concerned, maybe not, maybe there great. How will you know unless you ask?
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Who are the gunsmiths who express concern over PGW actions?
 
dirteemax said:
That has nothing to do with the original question. I'm not going down that road. I just want to know more about there action. Some guys on hear seem to think there great, some guys seem to think there not. I just want some facts, that is why I asked the original question in the first place.
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Rigggggggggght.

Using your own mechanic analogy, if you can't tell me what mechanics say the motor is bad, then you might as well be making it up :rolleyes:
 
dirteemax said:
I really don't think this is that difficult. If you have some information about the original question then that would be great. If you don't then why bother post. I don't think it matters if I have even been told that PGW rifles are good, bad, or otherwise. I just want some facts and information that's the point of the original question, let's stick to that.
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Your answers are becoming more convoluted with each post.

Have you or have you not been told about a flaw or failure in the PGW actions by one or more gunsmiths?
 
I know their .50 BMG actions are made from stainless. I know the guy that cuts their raw blanks. Stainless is certainly strong enough for a .50 calibre rifle action, but it needs some hardness in order to resist galling on the locking lugs. It could be a precipitation hardening stainless, such as 17-4 PH? I could find out, but I wouldn't share the information on this forum, that's up to Ross and Steve to divulge. Having said that, if there was any question regarding the integrity of their actions, they wouldn't have any government contracts! JMTC
 
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