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I tested my G7 for 3 months to make sure it wouldnt have failures beyond reason in bad weather , especially Fog , heavy rain and blowing snow as rangefinders are known to be unreliable in these conditions ... ask military guys , sandstorms in Iraq and Afganistan, hence the need to continue to know how to mil. At this level of product bright sun dosnt matter, both these products are virtually flawless on flat ground in the sun.

I will say after everything i posted. In a shooting compitition inside lets say 1200 yards, where there a number of targets " lets say 10 "at diffrent elevation's with inclines and declines more than 25 degrees of angle and the competition that is based on 10 inch plates that must be hit and speed is the objective. I will have pounded out all ten plates and you will still be " Possibly" figuring out your math on the second target !

If we are side by side and there is a 200 inch whitetail at 1000 yards you will be punching in your yardage into your Horus and i will be in my truck on my way to recover my game.

Is the G7 as well built as a Terrapin ? ... nope ! is the laser as strong ? ... nope ! But that being said the G7 is a fantastic product very tough and reliable, and in a hunting situation not beatable by a human with 4 gadgets trying to figure out his drop , angle and barometric pressure.

The Terrapin is not a good product ... Its an amazing product ! There is no need to evaluate it because it does what it does perfect. But for the money that it is and the other gadgets you need for it to work properly for longrange shots ... Kestrel with horus, some method of angle mesurment and a balistics calculator " which i personally own these products aswell " There is another very good option.

Regards

Turkey , a little tip ... you've bin on CGN for 5 years and you've posted 11 times ... at leats 2 of your posts are far from informative. I love hearing posts with valid info. I learn from CGNer's every day, Thats why im here. People will be alot more accommodating if you try not to make posts personal. Coversations create answer's,cheap shots and heated arguments will get you no where fast...

No hard fealings.
 
Pilot
IN your opinion will the G7 work on a deer size target to 1200 yards or so? Would it be useful for varminting ( can you get a reading off small critters or the ground near them easily)?
 
I will say after everything i posted. In a shooting compitition inside lets say 1200 yards, where there a number of targets " lets say 10 "at diffrent elevation's with inclines and declines more than 25 degrees of angle and the competition that is based on 10 inch plates that must be hit and speed is the objective. I will have pounded out all ten plates and you will still be " Possibly" figuring out your math on the second target !

If we are side by side and there is a 200 inch whitetail at 1000 yards you will be punching in your yardage into your Horus and i will be in my truck on my way to recover my game.
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A lot of "if's" in your little scenario, but I'll play along.. :)

If the competition moves past 1400yds, you're ballistic calculator is dead in the water (who's content shooting 1000 - 1400yds anyways!).

If you need to range all sorts of different targets past 2000yds, I also think the Terrapin wins hands down.

I have my temps/altitude/etc pre-entered into my ballistic software, plus i'm generally not in a race to take a 1000yd shot at an animal.


This is all is good fun though... glad you are happy with your G7 and it's always good to hear reviews of the new stuff that's out there.
 
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A lot of "if's" in your little scenario, but I'll play along.. :)

If the competition moves past 1400yds, you're ballistic calculator is dead in the water (who's content shooting 1000 - 1400yds anyways!).

If you need to range all sorts of different targets past 2000yds, I also think the Terrapin wins hands down.

I have my temps/altitude/etc pre-entered into my ballistic software, plus i'm generally not in a race to take a 1000yd shot at an animal.


This is all is good fun though... glad you are happy with your G7 and it's always good to hear reviews of the new stuff that's out there.
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I agree with your post %100 , Although the G7 will not do the calculation past 1400 for you ... past 1400 all the info will still be there you just have to push a button and it cycles through all the data collected it just wont do the calculation for you ... so yes past 1400 you will still need a ballistics calculator. but as i said it will collect all data needed including arc. Past 2000 yards I almost gaurentee the Terrapin will smoke the G7.
in fact i will agree with an earlier post that the G7 is Ideal inside 1800 and it is nearly flawless inside 1800. But if your shooting a rifle in the " heavy recoil class " such as a 7 mag or 300 mag they drop sub sonic at about 1400 yards depending on air density of course. Honestly i dont feel comfortable shooting at game past 900 yards with my 7mag just because of bullet performance at the speed its traveling past those ranges. The scenario i painted about the compition was just an analogy of where the G7 shines, and agian at 1000 yards you wont beat a G7 to the punch in a hunting situation. So on iron with the calibur im shooting the G7 works perfect for me. If i step into a Lapua in the future i might find myself useing my GPS to measure distance, or stepping up to a PRLF15c and giving the G7 to my dad.

Canuck , I can testify that the G7 will range at deer size targets at 1200 yards no problem ... being that i have ranged 12 inch plates at 1200 at bang them nearly every time on the first shot. I have honestly only taken deer at 733 yards. Although for fun i have regularly ranged birds well past 1500 yards.

I have never used it for varmint as we dont have the luxury of those species on the Island. I would make a pretty solid bet you'll be shooting gophers at 1000+ no problem. 1200 yards is by no means streatching the G7 out at all. Its not like the old Lica where it says 1200 on the side but is really only reliable at 800

I dont know if Grouse River will do this for everyone, but as i said before i was very skeptical about the G7. A friend of mine had gotten me to consider the G7 rangefinder and i blew him off. I was trying to get the finances together for a PLRF15 and thats where my mind was set.
anyway ... i decided to give Grouse River a call , i cant remember the managers name ... real good guy. After chatting him for an hour, He said " listen ill illl take your card number and send you one, give it a try. I wont charge your card, If you keep it in new condition and you dont like it send it back " How could i go wrong ? 3 months later i called him up and said charge it to my card. Thats how i ended up with it. Not a single regret.
 
Well, I think a three month test is long enough. I wouldn't expect him to do that again but a 2 week trial period would be good with a small fee if you decide not to keep it( otherwise there are those who will abuse it).
 
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Well, I think a three month test is long enough. I wouldn't expect him to do that again but a 2 week trial period would be good with a small fee if you decide not to keep it( otherwise there are those who will abuse it).
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The reason it took me so long was because he sent it to me late spring and the weather was very good for awhile. If it was dead winter with varying weather im sure i would have bin able to figure out its limits in a couple weeks.
 
pilot2001 said:
Summary ...

I tested my G7 for 3 months to make sure it wouldnt have failures beyond reason in bad weather , especially Fog , heavy rain and blowing snow as rangefinders are known to be unreliable in these conditions ... ask military guys , sandstorms in Iraq and Afganistan, hence the need to continue to know how to mil. At this level of product bright sun dosnt matter, both these products are virtually flawless on flat ground in the sun.

I will say after everything i posted. In a shooting compitition inside lets say 1200 yards, where there a number of targets " lets say 10 "at diffrent elevation's with inclines and declines more than 25 degrees of angle and the competition that is based on 10 inch plates that must be hit and speed is the objective. I will have pounded out all ten plates and you will still be " Possibly" figuring out your math on the second target !

If we are side by side and there is a 200 inch whitetail at 1000 yards you will be punching in your yardage into your Horus and i will be in my truck on my way to recover my game.

Is the G7 as well built as a Terrapin ? ... nope ! is the laser as strong ? ... nope ! But that being said the G7 is a fantastic product very tough and reliable, and in a hunting situation not beatable by a human with 4 gadgets trying to figure out his drop , angle and barometric pressure.

The Terrapin is not a good product ... Its an amazing product ! There is no need to evaluate it because it does what it does perfect. But for the money that it is and the other gadgets you need for it to work properly for longrange shots ... Kestrel with horus, some method of angle mesurment and a balistics calculator " which i personally own these products aswell " There is another very good option.

Regards

Turkey , a little tip ... you've bin on CGN for 5 years and you've posted 11 times ... at leats 2 of your posts are far from informative. I love hearing posts with valid info. I learn from CGNer's every day, Thats why im here. People will be alot more accommodating if you try not to make posts personal. Coversations create answer's,cheap shots and heated arguments will get you no where fast...

No hard fealings.
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Sorry about that Pilot, no hard feelings here either, I should not have taken a shot at you. I also come here to learn, and no I do not post alot, sorry for coming across like a ####.
I researched the Terrapin for a year before I got mine, and when I did I was more than impressed. One does need to range reflective surfaces to get accurate readings well past 3000 yards even in the bright sun, and having the ability to range out to 4918 yards will exceed any calibre I know of, so I should not have to upgrade any time soon.
 
turkey32 said:
Sorry about that Pilot, no hard feelings here either, I should not have taken a shot at you. I also come here to learn, and no I do not post alot, sorry for coming across like a ####.
I researched the Terrapin for a year before I got mine, and when I did I was more than impressed. One does need to range reflective surfaces to get accurate readings well past 3000 yards even in the bright sun, and having the ability to range out to 4918 yards will exceed any calibre I know of, so I should not have to upgrade any time soon.
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Nope its awseome, Apology accepted. The terrapin was a seriouse choice for me, its just when i stumbled on the G7 and had a chance to spend time with it for free i found it hard to beat in heat of the moment situations inside its limits.

There is no doubt over all Vectronics in #1 in hand held rangefinding technology. Its pretty amazing that the Terrapin is there base model. You can run that thing over with a Humvee then pick it up and burn your adversarie's to the ground with the laser... no need to shoot. I hope that sooner than later they put the same options in the terrapin as they do there higher end rangefinders. Like the Vector 23 lol
 
Oh crap, my forth sentence in, I ment to say, does not need to have a relective surface, to get a accurate range.
As I write this I am ranging though a doulbe pane, plate glass window at about 30 degree angle, tops of the pine trees, 1343, 1340 1345, and trees behind those are 1419, 1421. The 3D function is pretty cool.
 
The G7 will also range its distances through widows as well , There are sevral diffrent classes of lasers and know for sure that The Terrapin's laser is in one of the upper classes that is not safe for the human eye where the G7 is in the highest class that is safe for the human eye ... which is sort of dumb. I remember having that conversation with the manager at grouse river. So on that note there is no question the Terrain's beam is stronger.
 
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The G7 will also range its distances through widows as well , There are sevral diffrent classes of lasers and know for sure that The Terrapin's laser is in one of the upper classes that is not safe for the human eye where the G7 is in the highest class that is safe for the human eye ... which is sort of dumb. I remember having that conversation with the manager at grouse river. So on that note there is no question the Terrain's beam is stronger.
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I went on Vectronics site and they claim it is a class 1 laser and eye safe. WHat make you say otherwise?
 
Been reading this thread about the Terrapin and i have the 1st one in sold to the public from 20-20 insight, the custmer service was awsome from mr.John lutes.
Now I have been using this gadget for 2 years here and in Saskatchewan for hunting purposes. My experience with this RF has been nothing but great from the get go.
The reason I bought it was that I missed 2 booners in sask in varying conditions that my swaro fail me miserbly!
1st condition heavy snow falling and a booner standing in a field with a few does distance 400-650yards approx hard to tell in those conditions my swaro failed to give any reading exept the snow at 35yards F##K me LOl I guestimate and shoot under him deer gone.
2nd condition the deer is standing in a patch of tall grass at 700-850yards, patch of grass is 200 yards sq deer in the middle, grass upto to its belly, reading from swaro (because of beam size) 700 750 800 850 wtf couldnt get and honest reading when needed. Big bucks dont stick around to long for you to fiddle.
Now with my terrapin none of those situations would have even been a problem, i have tested it in heavy rain on deer and it read them, in heavy snow it reads them, in fog if i can see the deer the unit will give me a reading! the 3d function is awsome, i ranged a deer on flat ground with a tree and its branches as obstruction the tree was 940 yards the deers head and neck were 1042, i ranged that scene 6times in a row leaning on the truck with my elbows. Suffice it to say I love this unit! I've read all of the reviews of the G7 and they're all good,
but that beam divergence scares me a bit especially in situations i've described not sure I would get the readings of the deer, but maybe its beam can distiguish deer from grass or heavy snow at distances i've decribed. I like the features the G7 has and wish the Terrapin had them, but my drops are taped to my stock or memorized for the hunt i'm doing so all i need is a range no matter what! Thats why I bought the terrapin and I'm happy with it so far as it hasnt failed yet.
Elmer
 
Thanks for the imput. I wish I could afford both. The G7 is $300 or more less expensive which will factor into it as well.
If Vectronics gets the same features as the G7 I would be willing to pay 2500 for it as it seems to range quite a bit better.
 
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elmerdeer said:
Been reading this thread about the Terrapin and i have the 1st one in sold to the public from 20-20 insight, the custmer service was awsome from mr.John lutes.
Now I have been using this gadget for 2 years here and in Saskatchewan for hunting purposes. My experience with this RF has been nothing but great from the get go.
The reason I bought it was that I missed 2 booners in sask in varying conditions that my swaro fail me miserbly!
1st condition heavy snow falling and a booner standing in a field with a few does distance 400-650yards approx hard to tell in those conditions my swaro failed to give any reading exept the snow at 35yards F##K me LOl I guestimate and shoot under him deer gone.
2nd condition the deer is standing in a patch of tall grass at 700-850yards, patch of grass is 200 yards sq deer in the middle, grass upto to its belly, reading from swaro (because of beam size) 700 750 800 850 wtf couldnt get and honest reading when needed. Big bucks dont stick around to long for you to fiddle.
Now with my terrapin none of those situations would have even been a problem, i have tested it in heavy rain on deer and it read them, in heavy snow it reads them, in fog if i can see the deer the unit will give me a reading! the 3d function is awsome, i ranged a deer on flat ground with a tree and its branches as obstruction the tree was 940 yards the deers head and neck were 1042, i ranged that scene 6times in a row leaning on the truck with my elbows. Suffice it to say I love this unit! I've read all of the reviews of the G7 and they're all good,
but that beam divergence scares me a bit especially in situations i've described not sure I would get the readings of the deer, but maybe its beam can distiguish deer from grass or heavy snow at distances i've decribed. I like the features the G7 has and wish the Terrapin had them, but my drops are taped to my stock or memorized for the hunt i'm doing so all i need is a range no matter what! Thats why I bought the terrapin and I'm happy with it so far as it hasnt failed yet.
Elmer
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Canuck525 said:
Thanks for the imput. I wish I could afford both. The G7 is $300 or more less expensive which will factor into it as well.
If Vectronics gets the same features as the G7 I would be willing to pay 2500 for it as it seems to range quite a bit better.[/QUOTE

I've done lots of testing in the snow with the G7 and it preforms nearly flawless ... we are getting a tonne of snow on the island right now and actually did some more testing with it today, just because it didnt really snow this hunting season here. I wanted to double make sure i wasnt BSing anyone here. Again i was ranging today in " HEAVY SNOW FALL " so heavy at 1000 yards spotting animals almost wouldnt be realistic and it was reading off tree's with ballistic solutions no problem. I have had all the swaros and Lica's and i agree with Elmer they are not in the same class as these finders at all. Ive spent quite abit of time with the new Swaro rangefinding bino's aswell, but i wouldnt put them even colse to my G7.

I love vectronix ... but I think they really dropped the ball. There was a big void in the hunting community that needed to be filled and they have the technology to fill it at a competitive price. I know distributers had bin bugging them but they never pulled the trigger. To bad , i agree if there was a Terrapin with the G7 functions at $2500 there would be no choice to make. Unfortunatly they left the door open for compitition that wasnt there.

Buy the one you think you'll be most comfortable with. Im sure you'll be very happy with either. It is a big purchase.
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Here is some Range Finder #### mmmm soo nice I want! The person who owns them could be nice and loan them to me I promise not to break them;) hint hint! jk

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