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boss351cleveland
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My C7 when I try my best at 100 meters prone will have a hard time to put all rounds under 1"... In a vise the gun is "suppose" to shoot under 3 MOA... lol. So I am doing really good at just under or about 2" groups prone unsupported all day. Issued ammo. My own hand loads will cut the groups by 25% minimum.
As mentioned above, service rifles are meant to bring fire power. Section effectiveness and battle drills are one thing. Pure accuracy is something else and used by few of us. Not saying you want a 6MOA rifle but it does not matter if you reach 2" to much to the left or to the right...
As mentioned above, service rifles are meant to bring fire power. Section effectiveness and battle drills are one thing. Pure accuracy is something else and used by few of us. Not saying you want a 6MOA rifle but it does not matter if you reach 2" to much to the left or to the right...
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notsorichguy
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Really, seriously...... I'm from Missouri.... The show me state.
I have 6 ARs. All but one is free floated. None of mine will do this for 4 groups in a row......
Posts like this are why people keep saying you sound like TDC.
Nothing constructive just pick apart everything and ad useless comments for no other reason than building up a post count.
I know TDC has some very good info to share but it's too bad that of his 7500 posts he's only shared that info for maybe 500 of them. The good ones are very good it's just too bad he discredits himself by making us read so much garbage to find something useful.
If you don't like the thread just hit the back button and scroll till you find one you do like.
Lets try to stay on topic here.
OP you'll get used to this crap.
Great idea, but 1 MOA is a bit of a tall order for most battle rifles but since it isn't limited to 14.5" or less AR's it is definitely possible for some of the rigs out there.
If Conte still has the 20" upper I sold him and has done some handloads or found a nice cartridge it likes I think he has a good shot at this. That upper was close to MOA with 55gr AE.
Good luck to all who attempt this.
I already know my rifles won't do this with the ammo I have so until I start loading for them or try some better ammo I won't be posting pics of targets
A 20" barrel yields no better results(and some say inferior results) than a 16" barrel. Shorter barrels are inherently more accurate due to being stiffer than longer ones. Unfortunately, their short length means lower velocity which makes precision at distance a challenge. The other factor here is ammo which the OP didn't put any restrictions on. If handloads are permissible than some may well print excellent results, but as someone mentioned, a lot of us shoot the cheapest factory ammo we can find which makes this challenge more of a pipe dream.
Is your rifle a service rifle or a custom built rig that resembles a service rifle?
When money is no object performance can be had. Again, I ask if this is a service rifle or a custom rig that resembles one?
Its YOU'RE and I'm not YOUR buddy. I've been called worse by better but I appreciate the fact that you have an opinion and are willing to voice it. Thanks for playing.
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Mine is a cobbled together mix of well used colt, dpms, and twenty some inch krieger barrel. I'd say the only critical ingredients are the good barrel and quality ammo matched properly to the barrel. For me, quality ammo is either handloads with 69gr SMK's, federal match ammo with same bullet, or Hornady match with their 75gr hpbt. Group sizes double with typical 55gr ammo, although its possible to sometimes print a really tight group with it as well, but that involves an element of luck and you just can't count on it. No good for anything where score is being kept and to be competitive you need to shoot a lot of 9's and 10's at 300 plus yards. One 4 and you're screwed.
notsorichguy
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I do hand load.
I have been hand loading for over 20yrs...... I have many rifles that print 1/2 Mao groups from time time. I have maybe 3 or 4 out of 60 that will do it everyday all day.......
All I'm saying is that "not every" FFHG rifle off the shelf will do it.
I believe that you believe what you are saying.
But until you Missouri me..... I will have doubt.
It would great if this thread could be cleaned up and everybody not contributing useful posts could have theirs deleted...this has the potential to be a worthwhile thread.
The one I'm referring to is a 20" Hbar with Wylde chamber, 1:8 twist, button rifled, floated barrel, and a rifle length DI system. It was extremely accurate for me when I had it and I'm sure it is still shooting the same for it's new owner. I completely agree with you that long barrels don't = accuracy as many of my posts in other threads have indicated and also why I got rid of my hunting rifle with a 26" barrel and replaced it with a 308 with a 20".
Oh, and it's hard to take YOU seriously when you try to correct everyone's spelling and grammar and then can't proofread your own. Did the OP need to BUT a restriction on ammo? How about use whatever you want unless otherwise specified.
How about you lighten up and start sharing your knowledge again for a change. I've read some really good posts of yours but most of them lately have been this type of garbage nit-picking and just being a douche.
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Thanks for the heads up, it has been corrected. Spelling mistakes are usually unintentional and a result of over zealous key strokes. Grammar errors are a lack of knowledge, just saying.
As for your rifle you had(shame you sold it). It sounds like it was dressed for success. Did you run handloads or factory??
As for the thread itself, OP could you offer direction with regards to ammo or are you leaving it wide open?
TDC
I haven't reloaded for .223 for a couple years, just been running Remington or AE 55gr FMJ for the most part. I have some Black Hills 77gr match and a couple other factory loads I want to try in my classic green with 1:7 twist. I'm hoping the heavier ones will do better than the 55's. I'll be reloading again for it soon though as I want to build a nice varmint/accuracy load for the Swiss and also an accuracy load for my PWS Mk112 (1:8 twist button rifled 12.5") so I can play in these type of challenges.
I sold the 20" because I wasn't using it much and got bit by the short AR bug. I also have a PWS Mk109 with 9.75" in 300 Blackout which is a lot of fun. Doing about 1.5moa with my 110gr vmax loads.
Your going to have to get used to spelling and grammar errors on forums, the world is shifting to a text style of writing messages for a lot of people and they don't correct that kind of crap in schools any more because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. It's only going to get worse with time. Trying to correct people is only going to frustrate you because they won't change. Decipher the message and reply if you have something constructive or move on.
So it's open for what kind of ammo is allowed?
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I wish you luck in that regard but sadly, don't think you'll have much. Not too many people around here are capable of printing these kinds of results, and those who claim they can, have no interest in proving it. Really, reading the parameters for this little challenge, it sounds more like a serious competition designed filled with far too many rules which will chase most interested parties away, and also I agree with what someone else mentioned, where is the OP's pictures??? At least he could show some pics of his attempts to do this? Or is this just so everyone can entertain him? C'mon OP give it a shot and then start a thread about how you did!!!
I will be surprised if someone actually posts a bunch of pictures and follows your parameters. Not saying it isn't going to happen, just that it would be a surprise. Perhaps try not being so nit picky about some of the parameters and rules, and some people night actually try to participate, otherwise, this thread (that does have potential) is a big waste of breath.....
