Dented 30-06 cases in a Redding Boss

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i mass full resize and mass depriming 30-06 today.. and i start noticing the cases are getting sometimes a little bit stuck on the way out and hard to pull out of the dye.

150 fired cases
120 are ok and survived the process
030 are dented like those 2 pictures below..

its like 4-5$ of brass but it is the principle of doing things right.. i need to correct that situation.

here is what they look like after full size depriming and full resizing..
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tried my dillon 44 magnum lube and the new "suggested" sticky lube at my gun store.
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also reed that excessive lubing create dented case... for real ? too many lube hurt the case ??
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For all of you who got more expertise than me.. please give me your impression.. advice.. clue.. anything is welcome at this point.

Once again, thank you for your help!

BTW: those 30-06 that survied shoot really well for my taste.. sample at 100 meters at the range.. after adjusting the zeiss conquest 3x9 40
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I believe this typically happens when the little breather hole that goes from the outside of the die into the inside of the die gets plugged with lube and doesn't allow air to pass through when you insert the case into the die. I would suggest checking this hole on your die, seen this happen before.
 
And excess lube can do it.

Personally, I'd just go ahead and load the dented cases. The dents will fireform back to normal.
 
looking at the redding die.. i really am blind.. i dont see a breather hole anywhere..

and triaq: you dont think they are dangerous of some kind of failure that way ?
 
DocBurN said:
looking at the redding die.. i really am blind.. i dont see a breather hole anywhere..

and triaq: you dont think they are dangerous of some kind of failure that way ?
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Usually on side above the nut. At least that's how my dies are.

I agree with Tiriaq and fire them too. Wouldn't worry. In my opinion.

I would load a picture but I'm offshore on an oil rig and it won't work with the satellite Internet out here. This post probably just cost the company 1000$ and gas prices are going up tomorrow ;)
 
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put lube on very lightly with your fingers so you can feel how much is on there. I would just load and fire those dentad cases no problem
 
mildcustom2 said:
I would load a picture but I'm offshore on an oil rig and it won't work with the satellite Internet out here. This post probably just cost the company 1000$ and gas prices are going up tomorrow ;)
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haha.. good one.. in that case special thank you for taking the time to answer me!

I still got the die in my hand and wonder where could a uber tiny breathing hole be.. maybe i could remove the decapping rod and do (deprime) and (full resize) in 2 steps.. that would allow a lot of air flow

3 VOTES FOR: SHOOT THOSE DENTED CASES :)
 
mildcustom2 said:
I believe this typically happens when the little breather hole that goes from the outside of the die into the inside of the die gets plugged with lube and doesn't allow air to pass through when you insert the case into the die. I would suggest checking this hole on your die, seen this happen before.
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The vent hole has nothing to do with it and I wish people would stop thinking this;

http://www.redding-reloading.com/tech-line-a-tips-faqs/148-cartridge-case-denting

"A popular misconception is that sizing dies need a "vent hole" to release air or excessive lubricant. It can be easily demonstrated that a vented die will also dent cases if excessive lubricant is applied to the cases, case dimensions are not compatible with the sizing die or the case shoulder is being bumped excessively."
 
clean your die out with some brake cleaner. blow it out after with compressed air if you have a compressor.
I have had dents when to much lube is left in the die.
 
Shoot a few of those dented ones, pressure will return them to "normal". When you resize them again take a q-tip and apply a little lube inside case mouth so the cases pull out of the die a little easier. Sounds like cases are dragging on expander on the way out of the die. And a lot less lube on the outside. Finger applied as mentioned is a good way to get a feel for what it takes.
 
Had it happen to me a few times , over lube. I also know that RCBS has that relief hole in the die and you have to make sure it's clear. Can't speak for any other die because I have not and will not use one. I vote for reloading also.
 
No Problem with reloading those dented cases.

As for how the dents got there....simple...lube on the outside of the neck and shoulder area.
I never put any lube on the shoulder of the case, only the body, and even that I avoid going right to the shoulder.

Imperial sizing wax is your friend for the body.

Necks I lube inside and out with powdered graphite.

Regards, Eagleye.
 
You have encountered two very common issues that we all have faced and found a way to deal with.

Too much lube causes dented shoulders. use less lube. dents mean nothing . Load and shoot them.

hard to pull case out of die is caused by no lube in neck. The cure is a slight dab of lube on the case mouth.

I tend to load several hundred rounds at a time, so my lubing technique is very fast. I lube about 100 cases at a time. Takes about a minute:

Put the cases in a round container.

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Smear lube around the inside of the plastic tub. I use Lee water solubale lube.

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Swirl the cases in the tub for about 30 seconds. The tub needs a top on it. This will put a thin coating of lube on all the cases, and ever case will have a tiny amount of lube on the inside lip of the mouth.

No dents and easy extraction. And fast.
 
thank you so much for help guys.. all of you.. the solution proposed here is exactly what i need.. according to.. how i mass processed the brass yesterday.
i have to say i never lubed the inside of the cases.. not even a little. and i lubed more on the exterior yesterday because they were hard to pull out of the die.. thinking it was hard since i rubbed not enough lube on it.

i also had less problem the first time i reloaded 100 rounds of 30-06 with the dillon spray lube.. probably because the spray was going inside the neck a little bit.

i cant wait to try more brass and see the difference.. strangely maybe even more than go shoot them :)
 
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Did you locate that breather hole in the die?
It might be covered by the threaded locking ring...
I know I came late to the party and has mostly been asked and answered.
Best to take yer time and double check when you see this happen...(to the other beginers reading this for the first time)
Tight Groups,
Rob
 
I did remove the locking ring and scanned carefully the threads .. The whole die really.. And still no idea where that hole could be on a 30-06 redding die.. Tonight im gonna check again but i begin to suspect its not all die that got an air hole.
 
Most of my Redding FL dies have no "bleed" hole.
This does not make one iota of difference whether they dent cases or not.

Lube in the wrong place is the culprit.

Regards, Eagleye.
 
Lay off the KY and see if it still happens. I like One Shot. Have not had the same dent as u once I went to that product or stuck cases either
 
Bitumen said:
The vent hole has nothing to do with it and I wish people would stop thinking this;

http://www.redding-reloading.com/tech-line-a-tips-faqs/148-cartridge-case-denting

"A popular misconception is that sizing dies need a "vent hole" to release air or excessive lubricant. It can be easily demonstrated that a vented die will also dent cases if excessive lubricant is applied to the cases, case dimensions are not compatible with the sizing die or the case shoulder is being bumped excessively."
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Considering I've dented my brass personally due to a vent hole being plugged I am confident that this is a valid point to note. Once I cleared the solids out of the vent everything was fine.
 
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