Derya 9mm thoughts and observations part 1

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Derya 9mm thoughts and observations
Ok. First off, let's just remember that this is a pump action gun and not a semi auto so let's stop #####ibg about what the government has done to centrefire semis. With that out of the way, here are some observations after putting only a few mags of ammo down the pipe.

I'm not really into tactical style guns, but I do have a couple (Derya TM22 as well as this new Derya model in the 12 inch barrel tactical look).

First impressions:

It has a decent bit of weight to it right out of the box and is not as plasticy as I thought it would be. I was concerned that it would be a little more like a GSG16.

I bought this with fairly low expectations, but wanted another plinker with a little more snap than 22LR, while keeping the ammo cost low. In my opinion it really delivers. It comes with polymer flip up iron sight and the front site pin is a very nice, sharp pointed pin. The rear peep site has two different apertures , and there is also a notch site carved into the top of the smaller aperture ring.

Having cycled the action without firing it and without snap caps I was really concerned that it was going to be too sticky. I was pleasantly surprised to feel how it cycles much better as you're firing. Maybe the action is just loosening up after having a few rounds through it.

Too early for me to say if you could expect much accuracy out of it , I was just shooting off hand at twenty five yards today and I had quite a case of the wobbles. All I can say for now is that it makes the steel targets go ping and it punches holes in paper.

Having never loaded Glock style mags before, I was UNpleasantly surprised at how difficult these are to load after the third round. The gun comes with two magazines made by Derya and they are the only nine millimetre magazines that I have , so i'm using them for now. Needless to say that I will be buying some kind of speed loader to save wear and tear on my fingers.

The pump action ran smoother than I really expected it to, and the trigger exceeded my expectations as well. It's pretty good. A little bit of takeup and a little bit of creep , but consistently goes bang when you expect it to. I really enjoyed my brief shooting session with it because you really stay in contact with the gun while using the pump action.

That's about it for now. If you hate manual action guns, you'll hate this one. If all you want to do is shoot semi-auto as fast as you possibly can, you'll also hate this one. However, if you have reasonable expectations for the dollars you are spending on this type of gun and you enjoy cycling your action manually, it's a pretty fun piece of equipment. I'll post more after I've shot more.

Shoot safe, everybody.
 
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Having never loaded Glock style mags before, I was UNpleasantly surprised at how difficult these are to load after the third round. The gun comes with two magazines made by Derya and they are the only nine millimetre magazines that I have , so i'm using them for now. Needless to say that I will be buying some kind of speed loader to save wear and tear on my fingers.
It's not just Glock mags, all single feed double stack magazines are a b!tch to load. The Uplula is the best loading tool out there but they used to be pretty pricey.

Most (maybe all?) Glock pistols came with a loading tool as well. It isn't as good as the Uplula, but there should be piles of those sitting around in parts bins across the country. Maybe you can buy one from someone for a few $$ instead of spending more on a fancier version.


Mark
 
It's not just Glock mags, all single feed double stack magazines are a b!tch to load. The Uplula is the best loading tool out there but they used to be pretty pricey.

Most (maybe all?) Glock pistols came with a loading tool as well. It isn't as good as the Uplula, but there should be piles of those sitting around in parts bins across the country. Maybe you can buy one from someone for a few $$ instead of spending more on a fancier version.


Mark
Thanks for confirming that they're tough to load. I thought it was just me. I got a loader from Amazon. I thought I was ordering a Ludex. I got a Ludex clone
(my fault). I just loaded 3 mags with it and there's a bit of technique involved, but for $20, it's really good. My thumbs were celebrating!!
 
I don't know about the Derya mags... but all the Pmags I have in 9mm got considerably easier to load with some use. I used to have to use a speed loader and now I don't.
 
I have an Uplula loader and it's a joy to be able to load up all your mags ahead of a shooting session and then not worry about it until you're done. I enjoy shooting outdoors all winter long and sure don't want to be fumbling with loading rounds into mags one at a time in freezing temps.

I was stoked to get one of these Derya pumps until I learned that the pump does not lock in the forward position during firing. I could scarcely believe what I was reading...it was another thread on CGN...and I'm still kinda hoping I misunderstood. Can you confirm that you can chamber a round, and then eject it without firing and chamber another, and another, all without having to hit some kind of slide release?

There's no way I would feel comfortable with that. I generally prefer manual action firearms, or single shots, over most semi-auto actions, but I want to feel the thing lock into battery and know it will stay that way until I shoot.
 
I have an Uplula loader and it's a joy to be able to load up all your mags ahead of a shooting session and then not worry about it until you're done. I enjoy shooting outdoors all winter long and sure don't want to be fumbling with loading rounds into mags one at a time in freezing temps.

I was stoked to get one of these Derya pumps until I learned that the pump does not lock in the forward position during firing. I could scarcely believe what I was reading...it was another thread on CGN...and I'm still kinda hoping I misunderstood. Can you confirm that you can chamber a round, and then eject it without firing and chamber another, and another, all without having to hit some kind of slide release?

There's no way I would feel comfortable with that. I generally prefer manual action firearms, or single shots, over most semi-auto actions, but I want to feel the thing lock into battery and know it will stay that way until I shoot.
Sadly it does not lock forward.

This one does... I hope someone imports these. I believe they already have an FRT.

 
The lock-up makes that ^ thing more appealing from a functional and confidence stand-point. Now, this is going to sound silly to some...including me!...but I just can't get into relatively great big guns, designed for relatively great big cartridges, that are then cobbled into peashooters for teeny-tiny cartridges. Look at the size of the AR action, the length of the magwell opening, length of stroke of the bolt...and hold a 9mm cartridge up next to it. Just seems aesthetically insulting. :)

We have different action lengths in most bolt guns. Many have only two, long and short; others, like Sako, had 3 or more different actions for different families of cartridges. It just seems elegant for the gun to be made for and to fit the cartridge. That's one of the warts on the Tikka rifles; one action length, one magazine length, with blocks to limit cartridge length. A Tikka in .222 or .223 is exactly the same action length as one in a full-length magnum cartridge. Just bugs me; not elegant. :)

And, yes...I look at the Derya bolt-action or pump-action 9mm with all its B-grade SciFi styling cues...and then I use the word "elegant" in this discussion...and the irony is obvious. :)
 
Sadly it does not lock forward.

This one does... I hope someone imports these. I believe they already have an FRT.

It's interesting that these pump action Schmeisser PSR-9 will even be allowed in Canada.

I heard James say at the 2:52 mark this rifle is an AR-15 modularity compatible firearm. I would have thought our corrupt Liberals, and Pop-Can Nat would come in her grandma panties knowing they can ban this rifle as well..........:oops:

I would be glad to be wrong.........:unsure: I will be buying one of these if they become available.

Amy certainly is a little cutie indeed!..........;)

I wonder if that bolt release is an actual working slide release?

I just looked these rifles up. I prefer the bronze PSR-9 model over the black one. It will be interesting to see if these actually become available here.......:)


https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=41...DMxOWowajeoAgCwAgA&FORM=ANNTA1&DAF1=1&PC=LCTS

Click on the second video with Amy. She shows off the bronze PSR-9 model. It is in German, however has English in the sub title texts below.
 
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