Derya MK12 Vs Typhoon F12

[Jonny_Cannon]

Well. We all know the disaster that is my Typhoon. So, I said screw it and bought a Derya. Shouts to Bullseye Sports in London. I bought the gun on-line and had it in two days.

I have so far stripped the Derya to clean it before I go shooting. Here's my initial impression. Takedown is easier on the Derya. You don't need the weird barrel wrench. In fact, you don't need any tools at all for a field strip. If you want to do a more detailed clean, and remove the bolt assembly completely, then yes, you need the Allen wrench. On my Maxi-Bronze, you have to take out those three small Allen screws every time. I said before that is a weak point. On the Derya, you do not need to slide the bolt assembly back to separate the upper and lower. On the Typhoon you can damage the feed ramp.

The Derya has no recoil spring on the barrel- it is in the stock a la an AR15. The Typhoon has it over the barrel, which I feel is another weak point prone to failure.

The Typhoon is physically heavier, or at least it sure feels that way compared to the Derya. I don't know yet how the lighter Derya will handle recoil.

I also found that the Derya will cycle snap-caps in my Typhoon mags. We'll see how that goes in the field. I hope to shoot the Derya over the next couple of days and will update this thread at this time. Hell; the Derya only has to shoot one mag without issue and it will already outdo the Typhoon.

My fingers are crossed.

Cannon

 

[PanzerDriver]

Turks aren't renknowned for their engineering prowess or anything other then men's bathhouses.
The Derya will certainly suck and fail.
Trade it in and by a mossberg 930 if you can't afford something better.

 

[Jonny_Cannon]

Nah. This was just a toy. I've got around 15 shotuns, including a Benelli M-4 Super-90. It's my go-to gun.

Plus, I owned a Persuader once. I wouldn't take a free Mossberg.

Cannon

 

[xdmer]

In my opinion the Derya was better designed, it's why I chose it over the Typhoon.

 

[Cheezz]

My experience with Turkish shotguns got off on a very rough start being a owner of a Daggar SAP6 which turned out to be junk. Used the ranges Hatsan pump many times and it was flawless so I bought one on sale, good gun for the money. Got a good deal on a derya mk12, so far with approx 300 slugs through it, it's been excellent. The only issue is it doesn't cycle the S&B Olympic slugs which I assume are low recoil.

Hope yours turns out to be good after the issues you had with the F12

 

[Jonny_Cannon]

Well, got back from the range. Only put about 30 slugs through the Derya but it was smooth and flawless. Not a single hiccup. I even had some 2 5/8" slugs, and they worked as well. One difference I noted over the Typhoon is that I didn't have to stop after a couple of mags and tighten everything again- on my Typhoon after about 10-15 rounds the nut on my stock came loose, the flip-up sights came loose, and the end nut inside the barrel came undone. The Derya is still tight (giggity).

Indeed the Derya is a better design internally. In discussing the issues with my gun shop they indicated the Typhoon recoil system is like that of the Derya MK10. I think if the next-gen Typhoon mimics the Derya MK12, they'll have something.

Also, my Derya indeed cycled using the Typhoon mags. I had one round jam once during the feed with the F12 mag, but 9 out of 10 successes was better than my Typhoon ever achieved. The Derya mags all cycled perfectly. What a relief to finally have a gun that works.

Thank-you to all who posted advice and experience. I hope I can at least save some people making a mistake with the Typhoon like I did.

Cannon

 

[Cheezz]

Well, got back from the range. Only put about 30 slugs through the Derya but it was smooth and flawless. Not a single hiccup. I even had some 2 5/8" slugs, and they worked as well. One difference I noted over the Typhoon is that I didn't have to stop after a couple of mags and tighten everything again- on my Typhoon after about 10-15 rounds the nut on my stock came loose, the flip-up sights came loose, and the end nut inside the barrel came undone. The Derya is still tight (giggity).

Indeed the Derya is a better design internally. In discussing the issues with my gun shop they indicated the Typhoon recoil system is like that of the Derya MK10. I think if the next-gen Typhoon mimics the Derya MK12, they'll have something.

Also, my Derya indeed cycled using the Typhoon mags. I had one round jam once during the feed with the F12 mag, but 9 out of 10 successes was better than my Typhoon ever achieved. The Derya mags all cycled perfectly. What a relief to finally have a gun that works.

Thank-you to all who posted advice and experience. I hope I can at least save some people making a mistake with the Typhoon like I did.

Cannon

Glad to hear it worked good for you. I like shooting mine.

 

[cr5]

My Derya MK-12 has also been working very well, a couple failures early on using really light Federal #8 field loads for skeet shooting but even they are working better now that I have some rounds through the gun, everything else has run well and even 3 inch BB loads shot well and didn't hurt the shoulder.
Very glad I bought the MK-12.

 

[DVX]

I bought an PA-01 pump action from a friend for 150$ this weekend, and put about 300 bird shot shells through it. Although my shoulder hurts, both me and my safe are happy. I have a new (used) addition to the collection, that turned out to be pretty darn good.

Turks make some pretty good kit. They aren't like the 60's anymore. Their military industrial complex has evolved quite a lot.

 

[Jonny_Cannon]

Although I've never tried a Hatsan Escort, I've only handled then in the store. I'm a big guy, so I like a big beefy shotgun. The Hatsans actually fit me quite well.

Cannon

 

[Cheezz]

Although I've never tried a Hatsan Escort, I've only handled then in the store. I'm a big guy, so I like a big beefy shotgun. The Hatsans actually fit me quite well.

Cannon

Here is my Hatsan kitted out with S&J mag extension, spring with no jam follower and a Turk stock adaptor mated with Blackhawk MK111 stock.

Got the Hatsan from Frontier Firearms for 279.00 on one of their sales, great gun for the $$

 

[Jonny_Cannon]

It looks good, and you can't beat that price.

Cannon

 

[Jonny_Cannon]

Geez there's 130 views on my video of what a piece of crap the Typhoon is. Good show! If I can keep people from losing out on a grand for a Typhoon, or keep them from dealing with NAS Guns or Trigger Wholesale, who will both take their money and then screw them, the better. Thank you for your support!

Cannon

 

[Gatehouse]

I've got 4 (soon to be 5) Turkish shotguns. 1 Derya, 1 MKA 1919 competition and 2 Ricoil 20 g O/U with 16" barrels. My buddy also has a Derya that we both bought at the same time as they were on sale. They were the original models, not the MK12.

He has shot plenty of everything through his Derya with no real issues. target loads, hunting #5, buckshot, slugs etc. I've done the same but with less ammo. They work quite well. Sometimes there is a FTF in the last or second to last round, but it's rare.

MKA 1919 works perfectly when fed the ammo it likes. It mostly shoots slugs and it's gone through over 1000 of them. It's pretty good with Remington sluggers, Winchester or Federal slugs. Jams aren't often, but if there is a jam it's always the last or second to last round., and possibly mag related. Same with SCORE slugs, except it's rare to even get through any mag without a FTF with them. It digests the Sterling Cross Black Goose slugs perfectly, perhaps due to the short brass? I don't know. But it they work great. I haven't tried Canada Ammo slugs in them as they weren't available when I bought the shotguns, so no report on those.

One Ricoil 20g O/U has had thousands of target loads through them. The other is more of a back up so it doesn't get used as much. The high volume one has had only one problem- a broken firing pin on the lower barrel. I might attribute that to using Challenger shells in them as I noticed there was often a pierced primer on the lower barrel when using them, and also, sometimes the rims on the Challengers seemed thicker than other shells and wouldn't close without rotating the shell a bit to find a thinner portion to close on, I suppose. I read here on CGn that Challengers use Cheddite primers which are more prone to piercing and therefore some gas cutting on the firing pin, but as I don't handload shotgun shells I don't have as much knowledge of them so I will let someone else decide that. The same shells work fine in my 2 Mossberg pumps so maybe it's just another case of letting your gun decide what it likes. The Remington, Federal and Winchester shells have had zero issues with that same gun.

I also used to have a Turkish made CZ Bobwhite shotgun. It also worked exceptionally well and the only reason I sold it was because I didn't hunt birds as much as I used to. I actually liked it more than my Browning Citori upland shotgun, and I've always liked Browning shotguns.

So Turkish shotguns? Yeah, I'm mostly fine with them. Can't say anything much wrong about them for the applications I use them for. I've never handled or shot a Typhoon though, so it just reminds you that not every gun from a certain country is representative of all guns from a country. I've had excellent Chinese guns and poor Chinese guns. Same with the USA, for that matter.

 

[Jonny_Cannon]

I fired 500 rounds through my Typhoon. Imperial, Federal, Winchester, Remington. 2 3/4" and 3". Hi brass and low brass. All the same results. 100 X 5-round mags. At least 2 failures or malfunctions each mag. I just posted 10 vids on YouTube. I'm certainly not disputing Turkish shotguns are garbage. I've got a Derya that works fantastic out of the box. I'm just saying Typhoon is junk. When I contacted NAS Guns, who I bought it from, they sent it to Trigger Wholesale in Waterloo for warranty work. I sent it to them dirty. They sent me the gun back saying it was received with the bolt removed and it worked fine. I have that on paper. This was strange, as it wasn't the way I sent it. I took video of the gun malfunctioning after I received it from Trigger. I forwarded emails to NAS Guns and Trigger Wholesale. No reply. I phoned them and had to leave messages asking them about the videos I sent them. They ignored me and failed to return my calls. So, Typhoon themselves emailed me. They put me in touch with the Stuart Saunders on EBay in the UK who tests their guns. He suggested I machine a spacer, as he uses, to beef up the recoil spring. He indicated he uses a second gen spring from Typhoon, and they'd send me one. I try the spacer and it doesn't work. Suddenly he sends me an abrupt email saying I have to deal with warranty and won't email me any more. Plus no reply from Typhoon. What else can I say.

I'm certainly not staying Turkish shotguns are bad. Just Typhoon's.

Cannon

 

[gun runner]

Not good news. Please keep us updated if the issue gets resolved.

 

[Phat Eagle]

And my Typhoon F12 (not Maxi) has been FLAWLESS, including several hundred rounds of cheap Challenger over two days at the BC Redneck 3 Gun in July. It ran like an absolute champ whether I was feeding it Challenger, Challenger Handicap, Federal Top Gun or S&B low recoil slugs.

It's too bad TWI hasn't fixed yours up.

 

[Gatehouse]

I fired 500 rounds through my Typhoon. Imperial, Federal, Winchester, Remington. 2 3/4" and 3". Hi brass and low brass. All the same results. 100 X 5-round mags. At least 2 failures or malfunctions each mag. I just posted 10 vids on YouTube. I'm certainly not disputing Turkish shotguns are garbage. I've got a Derya that works fantastic out of the box. I'm just saying Typhoon is junk. When I contacted NAS Guns, who I bought it from, they sent it to Trigger Wholesale in Waterloo for warranty work. I sent it to them dirty. They sent me the gun back saying it was received with the bolt removed and it worked fine. I have that on paper. This was strange, as it wasn't the way I sent it. I took video of the gun malfunctioning after I received it from Trigger. I forwarded emails to NAS Guns and Trigger Wholesale. No reply. I phoned them and had to leave messages asking them about the videos I sent them. They ignored me and failed to return my calls. So, Typhoon themselves emailed me. They put me in touch with the Stuart Saunders on EBay in the UK who tests their guns. He suggested I machine a spacer, as he uses, to beef up the recoil spring. He indicated he uses a second gen spring from Typhoon, and they'd send me one. I try the spacer and it doesn't work. Suddenly he sends me an abrupt email saying I have to deal with warranty and won't email me any more. Plus no reply from Typhoon. What else can I say.

I'm certainly not staying Turkish shotguns are bad. Just Typhoon's.

Cannon

Yup, that sounds schitty and BS. I wasn't disagreeing with you about your Typhoon (never shot one) more agreeing that Derya works well. And that not every countries arms can be judged by one manufacturer.

 

[DVX]

Yup, that sounds schitty and BS. I wasn't disagreeing with you about your Typhoon (never shot one) more agreeing that Derya works well. And that not every countries arms can be judged by one manufacturer.

Well, the one I bought is pump. Pretty flawless TBH, and very comfortable to hold. I'm liking the fiber signts it came with. Not sure what to do with the breaching piece at the end though. Guest it might come in handy during an end of days type situation where I need to bust a door down.

Here are some pics of the shotgun to liven the thread up a little.

 

[everydayshooter]

Just bought a Derya mk12 a week ago and so far so good. The first couple mags had a couple feeding issues but after those hiccups it works great. I fed it 3 boxes of 2 3/4 target and 2 boxes of 2 3/4 slugs. The plus is it comes with lots of accessories in the box for a good price.