Derya TM22 Failure to go into Battery?

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Hi, I'm new to guns so apologizes if some of my terminology isnt correct.

I purchased a derya tm22 about a month ago, and have gone shooting 4 times, each time trying to remedy my issue with no luck, I currently have about 300 rounds through it. I've read many favorable reviews about this firearm however my experiences have not been good so far.

First attempt:
ammo - norma tac 22
-shot it right out of the box, being a rookie I didnt clean it first
-constant failures to eject, casings getting crushed by the bolt (stove piping?)
-casings ejecting out of both left and right side of receiver
-I think I fired it out of battery once? the bullet was in the chamber, the bolt was forward, but the extractor claws were not engaged, I'm not sure if this bent them causing my current issue.

Second attempt:
ammo - norma tac 22 & Remington golden bullets
-did a full cleaning the night before and oiled everything, the action was very gritty prior to this
-exact same issues, failure to eject & failure for the extractor claws to engage when cycling

Third attempt:
ammo - CCI stangers
-cleaned and oiled the gun again
-removed the LH extractor claw
-same problems

Fourth attempt: (today)
ammo - CCI stangers and norma tac 22
-cleaned the gun prior to shooting
-removed the bolt and disassembled it and polished it, sanded all surfaces on a steel plate with 2000 grit and oil, and filed off any rough edges, then re blued it, the action definitely felt smoother
-LH extractor claw still removed
-The failure to eject problem was almost non-existent with the CCI ammo but not the Normas (they seem slightly greasy)
-The extractor claws will still not engage the bullet over half the time
-I also brought a can of aerosol gun spray and tried lubing the crap out of it as last ditch effort, it made no difference besides a big mess

So as of right now to shoot the gun, I can chamber a round and shoot it, then I have to pull back on the charging handle about half way to ensure the extractor claw is engaging the bullet, every time I do this the gun will fire. About 50% of the time I check the bullet is in the chamber but not engaged in the extractor claw, I will have to half rack it a few times until it engages then I can fire. The gun essentially is a single shot at the moment. I have some dummy rounds, and if i load them in the mag and rack the bolt multiple times I have 0 problems, its cycles perfectly, however I have not tried this with live ammo as i feel that is unsafe to do in my home.

Currently when I pull back on the charging handle (unloaded) it feels stiff about half way through the travel and then loosens up again, I think this is part of the problem, and possibly caused by tension from the little bar that feeds a new round?

To me I feel like the problem is the bolt not having enough forward power to properly go into battery. I believe the tight spot half way through the action is leading to this, I also think more spring tension on the bolt would help, as well as trying to replace the RH extractor claw spring with the LH spring as it is quite a bit lighter.

I would appreciate any feedback into getting this gun to function, its basically a piece of crap lol. I'm not to heart broken over it, its cheap. I think the most rounds I have got to fire consecutively is 3 and I'm not paying a gunsmith 125$ an hour to fix a 500$ gun, I also have no interest in pursuing warranty as I read it has recently changed to being handled by north sylva which does not sound favorable.

Thanks!
 
Well you've done a pretty good job troubleshooting and describing the results so far. You may have already checked but take a look at the extractor recesses on each side of the chamber. If these are blocked with something, like a piece of metal, or not properly inletted, the extractor can't seat properly. If you're on FB, there's a TM22 user group with lots of ideas for mods and troubleshooting.
 
If North Sylva will get it fixed I would definitely go that route as all it will cost you is shipping it to them
A few things to try before sending it away
Clean the hell out of the chamber, semi 22s are notorious for being dirty
Get in there with a brass brush and a pile of solvent and scrub the heck out of it
Do the same with the bolt and extractor
Lube everything really good afterwards
Stingers aren’t the best ammo I find
I would get some cci mini mags and try those as they seem to work in everything
 
IMO you're doing fine Except "oiling the heck". Too much OIL can 'drag' on the bolt and not let it run fast enough to close and catch the rims. My experience with most semis (I don't have a Derya but have friends that do) is the 22s run better 'sorta dry'. A bit of PTFE or good grease on 'friction points' like pivot pins and such and maybe a tiny bit of oil for the bolt and receiver.
As Deathrawt said, cleaning the chamber VERY WELL is critical with 22s since cra* can build up in there and cause the rounds to Not seat properly. And OIL that has been 'shot thru' will turn into gum or varnish. If you have a friend with a borescope it would be good to look inside the chamber to see 'what's up' in there. As Arcosdad said, the extractor recesses can also get 'gummed up' with oil and powder residue. And Those 'Stangers' are Not the best for any semi - bashes the guts a lot. Mini-Mags are a bit milder and Very consistent loads, as well as Not as 'dirty'.
 
Running a bit dry: yes, good suggestion by Buck for sure. I use a touch of WD-40 on my semi bolts which seems to work well. It doesn't gum up at all and if it does, another spritz is in order! No "stangers"... not recommended for semis. With my tm22, my go to are 40 grn HV solid plated like CCI mini mags, Federal blue bulk or Aguila. Experiment to try: load alternately a mini mag and another type of ammo you've tried and do a slow mag dump listening to the difference and observing how the gun performs.
 
I had similar issues. Sent it to sfrc to fix.

The slamfires were not an acceptable thing, neither was the rest of whatever is wrong with these.

2 cents.
 
Update:

Tried again today with little success. I swapped in the LH extractor spring to the RH position and in all honesty I think it made it worse, but was worth a try. Did another full clean and lightly oiled it, no spraying the bolt at the range this time. I also tried 2 more types of different Remington ammo. Unfortunately I have been to 3 diff gun shops and CCI mini mags are sold out everywhere. I shot about 150 rounds today.

I think at this point it would be wise to pursue a warranty claim because I am all out of ideas at this point
 
Check the extractors claws for any burrs or other deformations. You may want to touch them up a bit on a wet stone to make them "sharper". I've heard numerous accounts of Ruger 10/22 owners having a lot of extraction issues with new or used 10/22's, only to cure all their problems by either stoning the extractor or getting an upgraded one, like a Volquartsen or Tandemkross extractor. Personally all my 10/22's get the "Volquartsen Bolt Tune Up Kit" upgrade right out of the box, because it's just better quality parts which offer 100% reliability.

You may also want to pay attention to the extractor springs. Are they giving the proper tension and not binding up anywhere and getting stuck? What about the extractor spring channel in the bolt, does it have any burrs or imperfections? The extractor is supposed to be sharp and have a very "springy" action, 100% of the time. Any grittiness will cause issues. As previously mentioned, you also need to make sure that the chamber recess where the extractor "hides" on a closed bolt is not dirty or gummed up.

Finally, the only other thing I can think of is excessive headspace between the bolt head and front of the chamber (barrel). Perhaps stoning the front of the bolt face a bit on a flat wet stone could help, if you're up to it. I would suggest to get a set of stainless snap caps for testing function. I have these "Made in Canada" units and highly recommend them... just don't DRY FIRE your gun with them, as their rims are also stainless and it's not good for the firing pin, running the risk of mushrooming the tip over time :

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B07X1ZS5JG?th=1

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Usually Stingers are the problem in many rimfires as the brass case is longer than other ammo and can jamb where it shouldn't
especially in tight short chambers, We've avoided using them for years now in anything jic
 
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