Desert Eagle 44 Magnum question

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Hey guys,
Anyone own one of these who can chime in about the use of lead ammo in these please do.
I understand DO NOT shoot it through because it will get jammed in the barell, but what about semi jacketed HP's?
I have a box of them that was suppose to be JSP but is infact a SJHP.
Will these bullets get stuck as well, or am i GTG?
Also do these need tons of oil to run smoothly, i had some failures to close the slide last time out as well.

Thanks for the replies.
 
Been doing a lot of reading on this and found a great site:

ht tp://zvis.com/dep/depmrra.shtml

Plenty of good info there.

Additionally, I found as long as the rear of the bullet is jacketed (no lead) showing you should be gtg.

And make sure they are full power loads with heavy bullets.
 
Shouldn't be a problem. Mostly I shoot plated bullets but I do also shoot cast SWC's out of my Desert Chicken even though they "say" we're not supposed to.

From what you are describing, your bullet should be similar to a gas-checked bullet so it would be the copper that is sealing the barrel pushing the bullet along.
 
Thanks for the replies guys,
Yeah i am not sure what they were called, so i called it a semi jacketed HP.
The plated part is around the brass, and about half way up the bullet. The rest is lead and hollow.
The rounds are suppose to be hot loads for a DE, the bullets are 240 gr.
 
The reason Magnum Research says not to shoot lead bullets is because the lead will eventually clog the gas ports. The gas ports are necessary to make the slide move to the rear. Magnum says that if you end up plugging the ports then you will have to ship the gun to them and they will take the barrel apart and clean the lead from the port. They say this is very difficult and expensive to do. I found a thread here (http://thedeserteagle.yuku.com/ ) where one of the posters had ended plugging the port, and decided to take the barrel apart himself. He then cleaned out the lead and he was good to go.
 
You CANNOT shoot lead exposed heal bullets, like a .45 ACP 230 gr. ball/FMJ design. The lead blast particles with jam the action to a screeching halt (happend to me on my first .357 Desert Eagle, my second .44 and I was a pro).

You can only use brass-enclosed base bullets like Jacketed Soft-Ponts (JSP/JHP) You dont want to find out the hard way :)
 
Initially I tried lead bullets but the polygonal rifling didn't work well with the bullets I used. The bullets would strip on the rifling and tumble and keyhole on the target. Harder bullets might have worked but then you still have the gas port problem. Any bullets that have copper sides and base should be OK. I have used plated bullets as well. Stick with a bullet weight of about 240 grains. I got some cheaper 180 grain bullets but the gun is not happy with them.
 
Wow a lot of guys with this pistol.
I think this is the funnest pistol i have ever owned.
So is it also not a good idea to use FMJ bullets then because of exposed lead at the bottom?
Also has anyone loaded heavier bullets like the 300 grain ones?

Also has anyone let their wife shoot it, or is this not recommended?:D
My wife shot my G29, but was a bit freaked by the sound of it after firing each round, this is just a wee bit loader though, and much heavier. :D
 
I've used semi jacketed lead bullets and they work fine for the most part with the odd stoppage. Just clear it and move on. Good for the drills and skills anyway. Sounds like you also need a new spring kit for yours. Desert Eagles need new recoil springs frequently to cycle reliably. Where can you buy .44 FMJ anyway?
 
OK another Q for the DE guru's.

Does anyone know of a very small spring, it is maybe 3 coils at the most. It goes behind the plate that holds the firing pin, and firing pin spring in place. (i think)
Anyhow the spring is now lost, and it is not on the schematics.
I went to the range yesterday,and the gun no longer works without it.....:mad:

Anyone i ask knows nothing of this spring. It is a MK XIX .44 mag.

Thank you.
 
jdman said:
OK another Q for the DE guru's.

Does anyone know of a very small spring, it is maybe 3 coils at the most. It goes behind the plate that holds the firing pin, and firing pin spring in place. (i think)
Anyhow the spring is now lost, and it is not on the schematics.
I went to the range yesterday,and the gun no longer works without it.....:mad:

Anyone i ask knows nothing of this spring. It is a MK XIX .44 mag.

Thank you.
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There is no such spring in the Desert Eagle. I think it was a part of firing pin spring which broke off. Take the firing pin spring out and look at it. It should be 1 inch long with both ends closed. If it is shorter and one end is opened you'll need a new spring.

:cheers: Kazimier
 
Looks like nobody knows.
This may be a surprise to you but not to me. I own two Desert Eagles, one of them is exactly like yuors. On top of this I worked on many other DE's for a number of reasons. Before I started working on my customer's guns I studied them in depth. I've never seen the spring you are talking about on any of those guns. I have schematics from many sources and none of them is showing this spring. Does it tell you anything?

Regards, Kazimier
 
Armafix said:
Looks like nobody knows.
This may be a surprise to you but not to me. I own two Desert Eagles, one of them is exactly like yuors. On top of this I worked on many other DE's for a number of reasons. Before I started working on my customer's guns I studied them in depth. I've never seen the spring you are talking about on any of those guns. I have schematics from many sources and none of them is showing this spring. Does it tell you anything?

Regards, Kazimier
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The guy i bought it from knows what i am talking about, and he tells me it is a discontinued spring, and is not needed. But it seems it is needed.
 
Armafix said:
Looks like nobody knows.
This may be a surprise to you but not to me. I own two Desert Eagles, one of them is exactly like yuors. On top of this I worked on many other DE's for a number of reasons. Before I started working on my customer's guns I studied them in depth. I've never seen the spring you are talking about on any of those guns. I have schematics from many sources and none of them is showing this spring. Does it tell you anything?

Regards, Kazimier
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PM sent.
 
jdman said:
Wow a lot of guys with this pistol......
Also has anyone loaded heavier bullets like the 300 grain ones?........
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Here is an example of what I routinely run thru my DE and they all run reliably and always cycle no problem what so ever. The key is proper lube / maintenance and good, high-power loads (These are all published MAXIMUM loads BTW and COAL for all is 1.600" but as always you should start low & work up, all guns are different so take no chances and load accordingly)

Frontier 245Gr RNFP CMJ: 24.3Gr Win296 = 1201.7 fps or 785.80 ft/lbs

Frontier 300Gr RNFP CMJ: 19.3Gr Win296 = 1061.63 fps or 750.93 ft/lbs

Hornady 200Gr HP/XTP: 28.5Gr Win296 = 1413.13 fps or 887.05 ft/lbs

Winchester 210Gr STHP: 27.0Gr Win296 = 1396.18 fps or 909.20ft/lbs

Hornady 240Gr HP/XTP: 24.0Gr Win296 = 1253.98 fps or 838.20 ft/lbs

Hornady 300Gr HP/XTP: 19.5Gr Win296 = 1113.84 fps or 828.65 ft/lbs

The 210Gr load is perhaps my favourite: the bang & flash is incredibly dramatic, espcially at night!:D:dancingbanana:

Regards,
 
I have an early gun. See below. I took mine apart and did not find the described spring.

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And it looks like it needs a good cleaning. :redface:
 
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