Desert Tactical Arms Stealth Recon Scout .338LM
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Bring your money guboy and I WILL take it from you!! How about you put YOUR money where your mouth is??????
I am curious as to EXACTLY why you feel that a "tac rifle that uses EXACTLY the same stock quality Mcmillan A5 stock as the Timberwolf as well as many other comp rifles, a VERY high quality barrel (Rock Creek) which is certainly as good as or better than what the Timberwolf allegedly uses and a well known action spelled NESIKA which is every bit as good and most likely made to tighter tolerances than a Timberwolf due to the fact that it is NOT intended for battle use but has had tremendous success in bench rest and F class shooting, would be any less accurate than a timberwolf?
In fact I believe that the use of a Jewel trigger that we use in our rifles and the fact that we have the luxury of cutting tight match type chambers both that should never be used on a battle rifle would contribute to a degree tor the stellar accuracy my rifles enjoy.
As for our actions we ARE making them but they are certainly well above your pay grade. I fail to see why it is such a big deal for you that I have chosen to pursue other projects as a priority as you will NEVER own 1. Our bolt actions will be on the market later this year when I am good and ready to release them.
guboy hopefully I have typed this slowly enough that you can understand and comprehend what I have said.
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Your ignorance is showing yet again. What a shock
The 338 lapua is EASILY capable of ALOT more than 1000 yard work. The Improved version ALOT further yet.
We are only needing between 19 and 20 MOA to get bullets to 1000 yards and the 300 gr SMKs are still supersonic beyond 2000 yards.
He should post he result up on some bench rest board and get laughs, come on ####, where is the action, 2 Christmas has pass, still no action, what you going to bring to the next Canadian Sniper trial out, a Polish up rem700LA with the bolt face open up to take 338lapua, I know about your Rifles using NESIKA action Over $10000 price tag, what army can afford it?. I go to Genesee, bring you gun and money, tell me when!...
Why do you keep fanning the flames?? I don't understand this. We shouldn't have to worry about being attacked by certain people again and again that push the bounderies of being banned from this forum while all along not stepping up to the plate. GUNBOY, if you don't believe what is said then fine so be it. Question it as anyone else would but to mock us for providing proof, is just going down the same road you've unfortunately been down before while NOT profiding proof of your own skill. If trying to degrade a dealer on this open forum is accepted, then the moderators should amend the rules or deal with certain individuals.
This is awesome! A vendor claiming they can shoot 3" groups at 1000 yds. Anybody that actually competes knows just how foolish these claims are. Anyhow, I want in on this action. You can warm the rifle up and get on target (2-3 shots), then with a 10 minute limit, shoot a 5-shot (not 3, not 4) group that had better be 3.000" or better. I will bring the BR scoring reticle. I have $1000 I will put up, and you bring your $1000. If you do it I will be happy to pay you $1000 and you will have internet bragging rights forever! If you don't then I will donate your $1000 to the Canadian World Benchrest Team.
Since you are in Calgary, we can try this at the 900M Homestead range. Bring whatever rifle you want. Whatever rest you want, bring flags if you want. No benches there, so if you want a bench you will have to bring one.
No excuses either, such as too windy, too cold, too hot, I was sick, I don't like the range, it was raining etc etc.. Either you and the rifle can do it or you can't. Pretty simple.
As soon as the snow clears let's make this happen!
Rick
Since you are in Calgary, we can try this at the 900M Homestead range. Bring whatever rifle you want. Whatever rest you want, bring flags if you want. No benches there, so if you want a bench you will have to bring one.
No excuses either, such as too windy, too cold, too hot, I was sick, I don't like the range, it was raining etc etc.. Either you and the rifle can do it or you can't. Pretty simple.
As soon as the snow clears let's make this happen!
Rick
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YES I DO believe what he is "trying" to say is UNTRUE
The fact is my company makes extremely accurate rifles. We GUARANTEE that they will shoot no worse than 1/2moa, which means that they WILL and DO shoot 1/2 moa or better and what our clients have discovered is that they DO in fact shoot better than 1/2 moa with many shooting 1/4 moa.
I am quite certain that if the rifles that we build did not live up to this guarantee we would not still be in business.
Many of our rifles are found in small groups owned by repeat clients, I think that says something in itself as how many guys would repeatly spend 5 to 10 thousand dollars on 1 rifle if they did not deliver.
Unfortunately the likes of guboy and a few others have created a situation on this forum where many of the credible and knowledgeable shooters have been turned off and seldom if ever bother to post anything here.
Want proof go back a year or 2 and look at who ISN'T posting here anymore.
I do NOT look for any military contracts and frankly do not want any. We deal ALOT with several of the police depts TAC teams and they seem to be happy with what we supply as again the business is repeat.
The Federal governemnt is very slow in paying and to take on a large order will mean that I would be in exactly the same position as PGW found themselves. Unable to look after the client base that got them where they are.
It would seem that many guys on here have forgotten how scarce Ross and Steve were during their contract time. There were constant posts about how
they would not or could not be contacted. I found that as well as I had 2 clients who commissioned me to build 2 rifles based on PGW actions.
I am not knocking PGW for the having to ignore the civilian market totally for a couple of years as I know what it is like to be busy beyond your means, which is 1 of the reasons why I would prefer to NOT take on large contracts.
Just last week we turned away a contract to build 1130 rifles for a foreign military unit as I knew we could not fullfill it due to the size and still service the market I WANT to work in.
As puerile as this may sound, I'm sorry, but this thread is FREAKIN' AWESOME. Nothing I like more than a good call out, and this is the third (PGW vs. ATR, ATR vs. GunBoy, ATR vs. rpollock)!!
Good luck to all participants if this actually materializes - the end result will hopefully mean less bickering.
Good luck to all participants if this actually materializes - the end result will hopefully mean less bickering.
As puerile as this may sound, I'm sorry, but this thread is FREAKIN' AWESOME. Nothing I like more than a good call out, and this is the third (PGW vs. ATR, ATR vs. GunBoy, ATR vs. rpollock)!!
Good luck to all participants if this actually materializes.
It is awesome isn't it? Unfortunately I doubt any of them will happen. This is the internet after all.
The real callout is the claim of shooting consistent world record territory 3" groups at 1000m, which is laughable.
The callouts of gunsmiths is a distraction. I'm sure both PGW and ATR make great rifles. I've got a custom rifle that I suspect would shoot just as well, and it wasn't made by either of them.
The callouts of gunsmiths is a distraction. I'm sure both PGW and ATR make great rifles. I've got a custom rifle that I suspect would shoot just as well, and it wasn't made by either of them.
Sheesh Rick...
The issue is that somebody who it seemed worked for you indicated he had rifles and had built others that consistently group better than world record holders at distances in excess of 1000 yards. He got called on it and now there is massive deflection of the issue going on...
3" groups consistently at 1078 yards is the issue not your refusal of 1000+ rifle orders from foreign military groups...
As an FYI we recently turned down orders for 40,000 photon laser snipers for the andromeda system because DFAIT is not issuing permits for that locale...
Fantasy world is fun!
wow guys.....This Thread will stay locked please stay in your lane and keep the threads on topic. We all know I have the biggest ####, lol(or I am the biggest ####) I would love to see a build off pass around from all our great Canadian PR rifle builders but I dont think that will happen....nor Do I have the cash( well maybe if I sold my Wakeboard boat)to buy a ATR,or PGW custom) or even a AI for Wolverine, insults are not cool at all, and I will start handing out points if it keeps up. lets keep shooting warm weather is coming
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