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deactivated firearms are not covered be the criminal code. what you read on the CFP website is only a guide.

Yes, but if the firearm is registered it will not be deleted from the registry unless it meets their guidelines.
 
Yes, but the thing is no longer in the system, and can change hands freely.
Sort of like getting an antique letter - the last owner is known, but after that there is no trail.
 
Heres what I could find. Very vague? They refer to a "licensed gunsmith" ?? Its a none mandated trade in Ontario! Anyone who wants to open a business and has training or experience as a gunsmith (most are machinist trained) can do so. Does that mean licenced ?
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/club/bulletin12-eng.htm

Not quite correct. It has to be a licensed gunsmith who is approved by the CFO to do deactivations. We all had to submit a deactivated firearm to Ottawa for them to inspect and approve our work before issuing that designation. It sounded like if you missed the boat before the deadline you will not be able to deactivate in the future though I'm not 100% sure on the last detail.
 
the whole area around dewats is a gray area . they want you to have enough rope to hang yourself . as I said its not covered in the firearms act. if your a Licensed business and a dewat shows up at a crime scene,, that you did ,, there coming after your licence and business.
just ask Lock & Load in Edmonton. can't RCMP already did them.
 
Not quite correct. It has to be a licensed gunsmith who is approved by the CFO to do deactivations. We all had to submit a deactivated firearm to Ottawa for them to inspect and approve our work before issuing that designation. It sounded like if you missed the boat before the deadline you will not be able to deactivate in the future though I'm not 100% sure on the last detail.

OK?....still can not find or get answers on the process of being on this infamous list of "licensed gunsmith approved by CFO" ? Maybe I should call CFO and ask who they recommend?....lol
 
Just call around. I'm sure that you will find a gunsmith that is approved. Epps would be a good place to start.
 
"...Epps would be a good place to start..." Yep. They list Dewatting on their smithy services page. Mind you, if the thing is currently an unregistered prohibited or otherwise illegally possessed firearm, nobody will let it into their shop.
Think in terms of an oddly shaped paperweight. As in no moving parts. RCMP made a law by regulation several years ago.
 
"...Epps would be a good place to start..." Yep. They list Dewatting on their smithy services page. Mind you, if the thing is currently an unregistered prohibited or otherwise illegally possessed firearm, nobody will let it into their shop.Think in terms of an oddly shaped paperweight. As in no moving parts. RCMP made a law by regulation several years ago.

It could be argued that if the thing were never registered, there would be no need to get it deregistered, and no reason for an approved gunsmith to do the work.
Think in terms of an "old spec." dewat.
 
Is there a guideline or specs from the CFO on proper deactivating of firearms ?

Total paperweight. Drill rod down the bbl. Welded In chamber, barrel and drill rod welded to frame. Fp hole drilled out and welded up. Bolt welded to reciever, trigger welded in place, trigger frame welded to reciever, mag welded to reciever.
Total paperweight. Enough so it cannot be reactivated without serious use of tools and parts. Idealy so it cant ever be reactivated as it is illegal to do so.
 
My opinion is that some folks ideas of firearms deactivation are more than just a little over the top. I, and other CORE and/or Firearms Safety instructors have for years used deactivated firearms for instructional purposes. All of them have at least "workable", if not actually functioning actions and trigger mechanisms, and open bores. If they didn't, they would be pretty much useless to us for instruction. In fact some of the early ones were actually provided to instructors by the provincial attorney general dept. Some simply have cutouts on the tops of the barrels that include a good portion of the chamber, and cutouts on the receivers. There is no need to weld moving parts together, or fill the bores with metal rods. Just because they are "deactivated" doesn't mean that none of the parts still function they way they are supposed to.
 
Yes, regardless of type of deactivation it makes a gun non-firearm, however valid point voiced above - to remove a gun from the registry one has to submit proof of deactivation according to RCMP requirements. So all new deactivations suck. I don;t see any way to deactivate gun now with keeping #### and click functionality in place.
 
So
When a dealer or gunsmith had sended one time a deactivate gun for inspection of his job after that when the dealer/gunsmith deact a gun and sell it the gunsmith just have to fax the deact report to th cfc and everything is good no need to send again the gun for inspection of the job ?
 
Not quite correct. It has to be a licensed gunsmith who is approved by the CFO to do deactivations. We all had to submit a deactivated firearm to Ottawa for them to inspect and approve our work before issuing that designation. It sounded like if you missed the boat before the deadline you will not be able to deactivate in the future though I'm not 100% sure on the last detail.

Does this mean anyone new just starting in the gun smith business cannot be licensed to dewat firearms now ?
 
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