Did Smith and Wesson Just Drop the Perfect Home Defense Shotgun question mark

I still can't bring myself to shoot a gun with the receiver sitting right next to my head. I know catastrophic failures are rare but with that style of action you turn a 'life-altering' accident into a 'life-ending' accident. Bullpup just ain't my bag I guess.
 
I posted on another thread regarding this failure.

Copied the KSG and made it worse.

Loading firearm is nearly impossible, the loading port is undersized and the "load assist" buttons are a failure waiting to happen that can dump entire mag tube if pressed too far instead of partially.
Pump fore end shape will promote short strokes if anything goes between the spear point of the pump and the receiver, as well as between the rear of the pump grip and front of receiver. TIMESTAMP 5:39 (slings/ect)
Pump fore end has lots of screws that can be lost, bad design.
Pump fore end is too thick like Fischer Price made it.
Magazine tube selector button in a very unnatural position, should be reachable by trigger finger and is a snag hazard that may be pressed causing unintended switching of what magazine tube firearm is being fed from.

For the record I've shot the UTAS UTS15 and Keltec KSG's a whole bunch.....this S&W is #### to put it simply.

A real shame Covid ruined going to ShotShow this year I would have loved to make fools of S&W in person demonstrating all these failure points.


For the record I've been a technical advisor for several different firearm manufactures, so picking out these details/failures//ect is what I am good at.

 
Big Bad said:
And while I know the adrenaline will be flowing freely in a situation where a home defense shotgun will be deployed, I do think that owners who count on using them should experience firing at least one 12 G shot sans ear pro in an enclosed interior space like a hallway.
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I can tell through personal experience attest to the fact that I wasn’t able to hear very well for couple days.
 
handofzeus said:
I still can't bring myself to shoot a gun with the receiver sitting right next to my head. I know catastrophic failures are rare but with that style of action you turn a 'life-altering' accident into a 'life-ending' accident. Bullpup just ain't my bag I guess.
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Sort of related but not quite. But with the AR controls it's like S&W watched this guy's video in a time warp and built a gun to address his problem.


 
handofzeus said:
I still can't bring myself to shoot a gun with the receiver sitting right next to my head. I know catastrophic failures are rare but with that style of action you turn a 'life-altering' accident into a 'life-ending' accident. Bullpup just ain't my bag I guess.
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I used to believe this argument as well. That bullpups were inherently more dangerous in the event of a catastrophic failure due to the way they are designed. So I looked into it and, maybe it's just me and my google-fu is weak, but I can't find any documented information on how much more dangerous a KB with a bullpup would be over a rifle of conventional design. Bullpups of one flavour or another have been in service with many different militaries all over the world for about 50 years, give or take. The British, Austrians, Australian, Israeli's, French etc. have all used them. And, to be sure, lots of those guns have had a lot of different problems over the years. But I believe that by now, if there was any meat to the theory that catastrophic failures in bullpups are inherently more dangerous to the shooter than catastrophic failures in conventional rifles, it would be well documented, widespread knowledge and be easy to find.
 
Dorian Gray said:
I used to believe this argument as well. That bullpups were inherently more dangerous in the event of a catastrophic failure due to the way they are designed. So I looked into it and, maybe it's just me and my google-fu is weak, but I can't find any documented information on how much more dangerous a KB with a bullpup would be over a rifle of conventional design. Bullpups of one flavour or another have been in service with many different militaries all over the world for about 50 years, give or take. The British, Austrians, Australian, Israeli's, French etc. have all used them. And, to be sure, lots of those guns have had a lot of different problems over the years. But I believe that by now, if there was any meat to the theory that catastrophic failures in bullpups are inherently more dangerous to the shooter than catastrophic failures in conventional rifles, it would be well documented, widespread knowledge and be easy to find.
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Just by that concern existing, I could argue that bullpups are safer as a result.
 
Dorian Gray said:
I used to believe this argument as well. That bullpups were inherently more dangerous in the event of a catastrophic failure due to the way they are designed. So I looked into it and, maybe it's just me and my google-fu is weak, but I can't find any documented information on how much more dangerous a KB with a bullpup would be over a rifle of conventional design. Bullpups of one flavour or another have been in service with many different militaries all over the world for about 50 years, give or take. The British, Austrians, Australian, Israeli's, French etc. have all used them. And, to be sure, lots of those guns have had a lot of different problems over the years. But I believe that by now, if there was any meat to the theory that catastrophic failures in bullpups are inherently more dangerous to the shooter than catastrophic failures in conventional rifles, it would be well documented, widespread knowledge and be easy to find.
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whatever you re using the army will not disclose issues especially on a competitive market where everybody want to sell or tried. i was not as effective at long range with the famas than i was with the frf1/frf2 or mas 49/56 but famas was not developped for that so it did not matter but you re right a known issue will be know by now ...

famas and others are great for close comabat and getting out of vehicle and ready for action for the rest i think conventional ones like ar15/m4 are way better but that is just my opinion.
 
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