I agree. This is a stupid thread. Its bring out the worst in every one.
Good shooting though. I wouldn't complain with 1/2MOA.
Have a good day everyone.
Did some Nemesis videos at the range, they are on Youtube...
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I agree. This is a stupid thread. Its bring out the worst in every one.
Good shooting though. I wouldn't complain with 1/2MOA.
Have a good day everyone.
You hit the nail on the head. Personally if I did not get a .5moa gun for $6k before optics I would be SUPER PISSED!!!
I totally agree with this also. Caramel looks to be a good shooter, and would have to be to get something with the ergonomics of the nemesis to shoot well (My opinion anyway). I really hope to see more of the big picture if another video is made. Conditions, rifle setup and reloading technique. Anyone who is getting hornaday bullets into the 0.2moa relm is doing something I NEED to know about.
Not really sure if this is relevant it I guess I'm trying to say sometimes people accomplish the impossible. I never take picks of my shooting or groups but I was proud and figured I earned some bragging rights. This was my second time shooting my new rifle, which was also only my third time shooting a centerfire besides 30-30's and 303's when I was younger. This was also my first time attempting
Load development, from my very first batch of hand loads. Random unsorted brass, full length sized from my dads years of saving brass collection. All I remember of the load was it was 180gr sst's in my savage fcpk .300win mag. Topped off with a temporary tasco 6-18 I picked up used for $60. My best of the day, This rifle has no problem repeating this, especially not that I'm extremly meticulous , have good optics and much practice shooting, and muscle control. Although only 100y, it's pretty good results especially with Ed all for experience.
Load development, from my very first batch of hand loads. Random unsorted brass, full length sized from my dads years of saving brass collection. All I remember of the load was it was 180gr sst's in my savage fcpk .300win mag. Topped off with a temporary tasco 6-18 I picked up used for $60. My best of the day, This rifle has no problem repeating this, especially not that I'm extremly meticulous , have good optics and much practice shooting, and muscle control. Although only 100y, it's pretty good results especially with Ed all for experience.
First off thanks for making the video etc. I am confused by your statement above though. The video shows you shoot a .92 and a .98 group at 200 meters not .46-.48 at 200 yards (#3 @ 40 seconds). Am I missing something? I will admit I did not watch the whole video but regardless of what people say I think you went the distance to prove a few points. I would not kick a nemisis out of bed for eating crackers!
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the .92 and .98 are decimals of 1" the .46 and .49 are the MOA equivilants
Thanks.
I agree, those with the most to say seem to put up the least. We don't need the anti people here, we've got enough haters and doubters here within our own midst. Relax people, it's all for fun.
We also don't need BS posted as fact. This thread has as Caramel wanted become about him. In reality I'm looking at the firearm. If he's the greatest shooter in the world then that's awesome. But I'm looking to see what the actual rifle is capable of. I have some serious questions as I've mentioned about the claims. When people post stuff that's not accurate and others go out and buy that firearm having those expectations then they lose a lot of money and become frustrated. That does even less for our sport than having a heated debate. That is in fact far more damaging than the "antis" to our sport.
As for "haters". It seems that if you don't instantly jump on the bandwagon you're somehow a "hater". The only people I consider "Haters" are those basing their decisions solely on bias. This actually works for both the fanboys and the haters. They're the same person. The MR1 for example has horrible ergonomics. It's not a well thought out semi auto 223 rifle. That being said I'd be all over one for $1000. The issue I have is it's $1600-$1700. At that price I'm not a fan. It has nothing to do with "hating" it has everything to do with making an informed purchase.
From the other reviews I've read, the Nemesis matches high end tactical rifles for accuracy. So .3 to .5 moa seems to be achievable. The main advantage of this rifle is that it's a take down rifle. This ability with this accuracy is what makes the rifle special. From the other reviews I've read (Other than Caramel's) it's not going to replace a dedicated F-class or BR rifle anytime soon. Then again that's not what it was designed for.
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Hey JP,
I happen to know very, very well where you shot and videotaped your shooting at 200 yards ( not meters) as some people wrote on their posts.
I shoot there oftentimes and maybe we can meet and I will be an impartial witness of the shoot. I volunteer to score for you.
Next thing, I also happen to be part of the executive commitee for the PQRA and responsible ( with others of course) for organizing the shooting programme for Competitions in Valcartier.
We will be hosting July 27-28-29 the 131st Annual Provincial Championship for F Class and TR Class as well.
Go to:http://www.pqra.org/competitions_information.html
to find more and contact me or the org to find how to join and enter the competition.
You will have an opportunity to meet with great guys shooting nice equipment and open to help others (off the mound, not during competition of course).
Some of the guys you may meet with are international class shooters, young and old. As a general statement, you never hear about what group(s) they can shoot but I do now that they can shoot rain or shine,wind or not.
The youngest is 14yo and the oldest is 82yo and probably the worst guy you want to compete against.......
Round count is about 150 for the complete match.
You are welcome.
BTW: Matches are held at 300, 400, 500, 600 yards.
regards,
Claude.
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And where exactly is your contribution? There's few here that are "haters". Doubt, however, is a reasonable thing. Making grandiose claims that have yet to be proven will always attract a healthy amount of criticism.
If Caramel chooses to not speak of the Nemesis from here on in, as he has indicated in yet another thread, then that is his choice. Perhaps you are not already aware of this but there are (3) current threads in play with (167) replies on this site as we speak on this very topic. Some, if not most, would consider such activity as falling under the category of "attention whore".
YMMV.
Well that should shut everyone up for good. I am referring to attending the match in Valcartier. With the groups he was claiming, 1.7"ish at 600 metres or was it yards comes to mind, he should have no problem winning. That way this can be put to bed.
Everyone rags on one another about how well there rifle shoots.
Well there is WAY MORE than just Caramel that need to step into the arena to prove themselves and there rifle.
I do it as often as I can afford to. There are days I win, and there are days that I get it handed to me. I ahve yet to run away with my tail between my legs.
The best part about shooting in the arena, you will learn more at a match competing than you ever will just plinking.
CYCBB
Well there is WAY MORE than just Caramel that need to step into the arena to prove themselves and there rifle.
I do it as often as I can afford to. There are days I win, and there are days that I get it handed to me. I ahve yet to run away with my tail between my legs.
The best part about shooting in the arena, you will learn more at a match competing than you ever will just plinking.
CYCBB
If he's an "attention whore", so what? That's his problem and not your's, mine or anyone else's. No one forces anyone to read any of these threads. If you think he's full of BS, move along and let him write his drivel, your choice.
As this forum is based on basically an anonymous platform, I'd be guessing there's more BS on here than just that of Caramel, (if it's BS at all) and maybe a Hell of lot more than one would like to guess. Who's to verify anyone's statements, claims or photos. Anyone can post "borrowed" photos and claim them as their own. Who's to know.
Possibly the one thing worse than those who'd BS us all are those who'd come here just to pick a scrap, promote condemnation of others on here or just hang out to be nasty.
Everyone chill out and have a cold one.
Hey JP,
I happen to know very, very well where you shot and videotaped your shooting at 200 yards ( not meters) as some people wrote on their posts.
I shoot there oftentimes and maybe we can meet and I will be an impartial witness of the shoot. I volunteer to score for you.
Next thing, I also happen to be part of the executive commitee for the PQRA and responsible ( with others of course) for organizing the shooting programme for Competitions in Valcartier.
We will be hosting July 27-28-29 the 131st Annual Provincial Championship for F Class and TR Class as well.
Go to:http://www.pqra.org/competitions_information.html
to find more and contact me or the org to find how to join and enter the competition.
You will have an opportunity to meet with great guys shooting nice equipment and open to help others (off the mound, not during competition of course).
Some of the guys you may meet with are international class shooters, young and old. As a general statement, you never hear about what group(s) they can shoot but I do now that they can shoot rain or shine,wind or not.
The youngest is 14yo and the oldest is 82yo and probably the worst guy you want to compete against.......
Round count is about 150 for the complete match.
You are welcome.
BTW: Matches are held at 300, 400, 500, 600 yards.
regards,
Claude.
Wow. That's one heck of an invite. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Not everyone is claiming to have match dominating accuracy with a tactical take down rifle.
Just like anything in life it is the details that make it believable. In this case the details are pretty weak, if not non-existent. Do a search yourself and read through the volumes of info. Perhaps if you take a good look at it you may understand the people who have called out caramel.
Maybe its just the way it was videoed but I think a rifle of that price should feed a lot more smoothly. Maybe its the stock design I don't know but hey if you ever make it to maynards moa challenge at cedar springs I'd love to try a shot if you'd be so kind to let me
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Caramel, thanks for posting and very nice shooting.....but you should really get someone to help with the video because again, unfortunately nothing can be proven from what you posted! A few members told you how it should be done, but you need someone to help you with the camera. My offer by PM still stands or if you prefer you can take Claude's (Boum-Boum) offer!
Take care!
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