Wow, very cool link, thanks Curtton! Never seen the page before and I spend more time than I probably should reading about the SKS Carbine.
Did the SKS see service in ww2?
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Wow, very cool link, thanks Curtton! Never seen the page before and I spend more time than I probably should reading about the SKS Carbine.
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Awesome link. From the article and answers this thread's question:
"Limited production developmental type SKS carbines saw combat testing in 1944 and 1945 and were tested in small numbers by troops in the Battle of Berlin."
The Wikipedia reference is the only one I could quickly find, and you are right about taking things with a bit of scepticism.
But the scaling down and using the PTRS-41 design as a basis is found in other arms design literature.
Most weapons are variations of what was designed before, even if it did not make adoption and production.
If someone has a PTRS-41 in their collection, pictures would be interesting.
Sergi Gavrilovich Simonov was born in 1894 in Fedotov.
In 1926 he designed a light machine gun.
In 1930 he designed a semi-automatic rifle the “Avtomat”, which the Red Army tested in 1936 as the AVS 36.
The next design was the PTRS anti-tank rifle followed by the SKS.
One source mentions that, “ the SKS is nothing more than a scaled down PTRS anti-tank rifle”.
But the scaling down and using the PTRS-41 design as a basis is found in other arms design literature.
Most weapons are variations of what was designed before, even if it did not make adoption and production.
If someone has a PTRS-41 in their collection, pictures would be interesting.
Sergi Gavrilovich Simonov was born in 1894 in Fedotov.
In 1926 he designed a light machine gun.
In 1930 he designed a semi-automatic rifle the “Avtomat”, which the Red Army tested in 1936 as the AVS 36.
The next design was the PTRS anti-tank rifle followed by the SKS.
One source mentions that, “ the SKS is nothing more than a scaled down PTRS anti-tank rifle”.
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Put the two guns side by side and the relationship is OBVIOUS.
Strip them down and lay the parts out and the similarity is inescapable.
We made a TV program here about 15 years go, some nice Baroque music for an intro, then on the screen: Artillery Road Show. It was a question-and-answer kind of thing for local Access TV, won a national award. It was done at a local gun show; Dennis DeForest, Cornelius Ens and myself were the commentators. It was done just as the Chinese SKSs were hitting the market and there was a fellow there WITH a PTRS (which is a pretty outrageous chunk of iron to look at) so I did my finest "I don't know nuthin'" media-idiot act (which I can do fairly well, BEING an idiot at times and having spent many years IN the media)..... and we got some very perceptive and technically-correct commentary regarding the relationship between the two guns. Simonov HAD a good working design for an AT rifle and he NEEDED a Carbine...... so, why not? Worked, too.
Wikipedia is getting better all the time. The first time I heard of it, I dialed it up and looked at two topics: "Ross Rifle" and "Necronomicon". I found out that the Ross Rifle was a complete POS and the Necronomicon was possibly an all-too-real book. But Wikipedia improved as it was edited and re-edited. Right now, the only thing I don't like about it is what I consider its over-reliance on PRINTED sources; there is not enough room for original research, especially in historical affairs (such as the Ross Rifle question) in which the printed sources very nearly ALL support the "official story" and the veterans who used them (along with another 98 years of field trials) support the Rifle.
As well, it tends to regard one statement as worth as much as another, H.P. Lovecraft's "I invented it when I was 12 years old" regarding the Necronomicon counting for as much as some lunatic's talk about a book of unimaginable creeping EE-VIL brought by the Elder Gods from Out Of Space And Beyond Time. ("Very scary, kiddies, very scary!" sez Count Floyd.)
Well, I'm outta here for a little while. Gotta go do a human sacrifice or 3 or 4 if I can find a source of cute nubile females with exceptionally low moral standards.
But beware of placing TOO much reliance on books. Always remember they are WRITTEN by people such as ME.
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Strip them down and lay the parts out and the similarity is inescapable.
We made a TV program here about 15 years go, some nice Baroque music for an intro, then on the screen: Artillery Road Show. It was a question-and-answer kind of thing for local Access TV, won a national award. It was done at a local gun show; Dennis DeForest, Cornelius Ens and myself were the commentators. It was done just as the Chinese SKSs were hitting the market and there was a fellow there WITH a PTRS (which is a pretty outrageous chunk of iron to look at) so I did my finest "I don't know nuthin'" media-idiot act (which I can do fairly well, BEING an idiot at times and having spent many years IN the media)..... and we got some very perceptive and technically-correct commentary regarding the relationship between the two guns. Simonov HAD a good working design for an AT rifle and he NEEDED a Carbine...... so, why not? Worked, too.
Wikipedia is getting better all the time. The first time I heard of it, I dialed it up and looked at two topics: "Ross Rifle" and "Necronomicon". I found out that the Ross Rifle was a complete POS and the Necronomicon was possibly an all-too-real book. But Wikipedia improved as it was edited and re-edited. Right now, the only thing I don't like about it is what I consider its over-reliance on PRINTED sources; there is not enough room for original research, especially in historical affairs (such as the Ross Rifle question) in which the printed sources very nearly ALL support the "official story" and the veterans who used them (along with another 98 years of field trials) support the Rifle.
As well, it tends to regard one statement as worth as much as another, H.P. Lovecraft's "I invented it when I was 12 years old" regarding the Necronomicon counting for as much as some lunatic's talk about a book of unimaginable creeping EE-VIL brought by the Elder Gods from Out Of Space And Beyond Time. ("Very scary, kiddies, very scary!" sez Count Floyd.)
Well, I'm outta here for a little while. Gotta go do a human sacrifice or 3 or 4 if I can find a source of cute nubile females with exceptionally low moral standards.
But beware of placing TOO much reliance on books. Always remember they are WRITTEN by people such as ME.
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This is correct. The SKS isn't the only example of a Soviet weapon design having a number designation that predates series production. The AK-47 didn't enter series production until 1949, either. The KPV 14.5mm machine gun is the model of 1944 and they entered service postwar.
